Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mangekyo]

Why is Iran playing his game?

Oh come on. You really believe that’s what happened?

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Hopefully someday you'd be able to visit Iran when all this madness ends. It's unfortunate that Iranians and Americans are enemies now. No matter what people say here, the Americans were by far better friends of Iran than the Russians or the Chinese will ever be.

Assuming I live long enough. Being in my late 60s, any inadvertent tweaking of Mrs. AZ puts my life expectancy at risk.

Still, in my youth, I always talked about going to the ME as well as seeing the ancient lands of Persia. A lot of history has come from there.

I do remember having Iranian students during my days in engineering school.

I did make it to parts of the ME. But not as a tourist.

 

[Lulldapull]

This guy is on fentanyl it seems. He's just so fulla shit!

 

[hasssanali8998]

Do you think Trump writes his own tweets

Yeah lmao
No one can match his oratory skills

 

[mangekyo]

The Americans turned Iran's military into one of the world's most formidable forces in late 70s. We fought the Iraqis that were armed to the teeth for 8 years with American weapons. Alborz Highschool in Tehran was established by an American presbyterian missionary to improve higher education in Iran.

The Russians didn't deliver even a single jet fighter after 5 years. It took them 25 years to build a single nuclear reactor in Bushehr and there are already way behind schedule in the other two reactors as well.

Yeah, and then they sold us out for the Europeans. So **** the Americans and **** the Russians too.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Falcon29]

He’s trying to front run an Iranian response by claiming both sides agreed to stand down. Thus handcuffing Iran’s response, even though they didn’t agree to anything.

Quite clever.

You do have a point

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

The Americans turned Iran's military into one of the world's most formidable forces in late 70s. We fought the Iraqis that were armed to the teeth for 8 years with American weapons. Alborz Highschool in Tehran was established by an American presbyterian missionary to improve higher education in Iran.

The Russians didn't deliver even a single jet fighter after 5 years. It took them 25 years to build a single nuclear reactor in Bushehr and there are already way behind schedule in the other two reactors as well.

Your country did indeed buy then state-of-the-art hardware from us. I've seen some of it. A squadron of F-4s and 4 F-14s remain at Davis-Monthan to this day.

 

[Persian Gulf]

Because it’s not safe for missiles crews to go outside right now.

Cruise missile crews can because those are shoot and scoot systems.

We don’t have missile silos? We don’t have missile farms? We don’t have missile launchers disguised as civilian trucks dispersed across a country roughly the size of Western Europe?

 

[Nawnaw1]

No backroom deals etc. The reason Iran got out of this war, at least in April, with confidence, was because America's plans didn't work. They wanted Iran to collapse within a short period and it didn't. Not only that, it also closed Hormuz, which is very much 'closed' with Iran allowing certain ships through. The US didn't 'sneak' any ships past, there were no dozens or hundreds of ships passing, all nonsense. Trump is using New York ghetto manipulation and negotiation tactics.

So I think the US was going for plan B, try economic starvation through blockade, test Iran's resilience and see if there is another way of achieving total collapse of the state. Can they? Through bombing 'all civilian targets'? They could perhaps. But Iran can (and the us knows this) blow everything in the persian gulf to the next world, and then the world will immediately decouple from the us in every single way. They will all join the Asian century. So I think the US won't do this. And, bombing some targets along the strait coastline of Iran will not stop Iran's power of droning, artillery-ing, and missile-ing any commercial ship trying to pass.

And ground forces on Iranian soil or even islands? Armenia conquiering Turkey has a bigger chance of happening. Stop the stories.

The facts are what they are. Never mind oil futures prices, they are manipulated. Right now, buying a barrel of oil will set you back 150 dollars, anywhere in the world. Even Exxon selling a barrel in the US. Never mind natural gas is even worse, or fertilizer and jet fuel.

The war of february/march/april is now fully and universally understood to have been a failure, failing to achieve any stated objective. This is not only the consensus in all the media and alternative media, it's also what you can read between the lines, with European cucks even cursing Donals for going in (like Merz).

The question is will the US go for another 'decisive blow', or will they have to accept that their position in the persian gulf is now weaker. Combined with the global decline of the us and the west, their position will further weaken in the persian gulf.

Alistair Crooke says Israel needs to go back to Ben Gurion days: stay within it's means. Be strong, but small and don't antagonize the entire region and try to subdue public opinion in middle eastern countries through dictatorships. Those aren't future proof as we know.

 

[BigMela2onin]

Hopefully someday you'd be able to visit Iran when all this madness ends. It's unfortunate that Iranians and Americans are enemies now. No matter what people say here, the Americans were by far better friends of Iran than the Russians or the Chinese will ever be.

I know you inexplicably love Americans but they've never helped anyone, Iranian or otherwise, out of the kindness of their hearts. They have a long history of aiding and enabling Anglo looting of Iran during the late 19th and early 20th century and obviously they carried out Operation Ajax. They built up the Iranian army so it could be used as fodder against the Soviets, not because they loved Iran or Iranians. Now you want Americans to come be our friends while they're saying "we're gonna take all the oil!"

 

[Immortals]

Even Western OSINT accounts call bullshit on Trump:

 

[ShapurII]

Yeah, and then they sold us out for the Europeans. So **** the Americans and **** the Russians too.

It's trivial that every country is after its own interests, but for what is worth, our short period of cooperation with the Americans during 60s and 70s helped us build a modern, well-trained army that saved our territorial integrity and sovereignty in one of the world's largest wars fought after World War II.

That aside, they also heavily improved our civilian infrastructure, education, quality of life, etc. When we had good relations with the Americans, Iranians lived in relative prosperity compared to what is happening now.

Our friendship with the Russians never achieved anything remotely similar to that. The Chinese were initially helpful, but it all changed after their focus shifted towards Arab states in the Persian Gulf. We haven't had normal relations with China ever since, even though our interests align and we aren't enemies at the moment.

 

[Lulldapull]

The Americans turned Iran's military into one of the world's most formidable forces in late 70s. We fought the Iraqis that were armed to the teeth for 8 years with American weapons. Alborz Highschool in Tehran was established by an American presbyterian missionary to improve higher education in Iran.

The Russians didn't deliver even a single jet fighter after 5 years. It took them 25 years to build a single nuclear reactor in Bushehr and there are already way behind schedule in the other two reactors as well.

And I posted that clip of the news conference where imam putin admitted that he hasn't given diddly to Iran, not that Iran asked for anything from Russia, but he admitted that he hasn't sold anything to Iran.

Neither Russia nor China have anything meaningful to sell to Iran either.

We see how Russia fights in Ukraine, which is deplorable to say the least. And that China is even weaker than Russia and has jack shit experience/ weaponry fighting modern wars.

Not a good situ for Iran.......

 

[Immortals]