TF-X / KAAN / Hürjet Turkish Fighter & Trainer Aircrafts News & Discussions

[MMM-E]

And regarding China: They will NEVER EVER sell Turkey a licence for any of their high end engines! Why should they when the lack of an engine kills a competitor especially why nationalsits like MMM-E pretend, they don't need anything from China.

Chinese are living in their communist propaganda world
China has no technology to match with high quality NATO-Western standard

China could not sell even high quality Targeting Pod for JF-17 Jets to Pakistan
Pakistan bought Turkish Aselsan ASELPOD targeting Pod


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China use WS-21 Engine (itself evolved from Russian RD-93) to power the J-35AE

WS-19 Engine also inferior to GE-F-110 Engine


A single F-110 produces more thrust than one WS-19 or WS-21

Turkiye already has the capacity to produce an engine similar to the F-110, but Turkiye preferred to develop and started developing a 5th generation turbofan engine with 35,000 lbs of power

We dont need anything from China
China's low quality products are not for Turkish Military projects

 

[royalharris]

Let me say it again: don’t keep trying to elevate yourself by putting China down. That kind of character makes people look down on your country and your nation.

You are not in the same league at all. It is like engines: different engines are designed for different purposes and suited to different types of aircraft. China’s WS-10 is equivalent to America’s F110, China’s WS-15 is equivalent to America’s F135, while the WS-21 and WS-19 are designed for different purposes.

Second, China is Turkey’s largest source of imported high-tech products. If you disapprove of Chinese products so much, why does your annual import volume keep increasing?Of course, China would not export its most advanced products and technologies to you. For China, these are only second-rate and third-rate technologies and products.

You personally, as well as the country and nation you belong to, show a deeply split personality and national character.

 

[MMM-E]

Nobody knows the quality and lifespan of the Chinese WS-10 / WS-15 engines ... that's why China can't sell such an engine to the world.

on the other hand , Turkiye develops everything for export to the world to compare with American and European Weapons

That's why Turkiye is developing the TF-35,000 to be perfect. as like other Systems MURAD-600A AESA Radar , TOYGUN EOTS , KARAT IRST , FEWS EW Suite , TULGAR HMDS for the KAAN Fighter Jet


Unlike American and British-French engines, Chinese engines have not proven their quality worldwide

Even Chinese E/O Systems are not good

 

[royalharris]

Nobody knows the quality and lifespan of the Chinese WS-10 / WS-15 engines ... that's why China can't sell such an engine to the world.

on the other hand , Turkiye develops everything for export to the world to compare with American and European Weapons

That's why Turkiye is developing the TF-35,000 to be perfect. as like other Systems MURAD-600A AESA Radar , TOYGUN EOTS , KARAT IRST , FEWS EW Suite , TULGAR HMDS


Unlike American and British-French engines, Chinese engines have not proven their quality worldwide

Even Chinese avionics and E/O Systems are not good

China does not need you to know at all. Whether you know, pay attention, or acknowledge it, China simply does not care.
Because, for China, Turkey is an optional and almost negligible presence.

 

[Deino]

Nobody knows the quality and lifespan of the Chinese WS-10 / WS-15 engines ... that's why China can't sell such an engine to the world.

on the other hand , Turkiye develops everything for export to the world to compare with American and European Weapons

That's why Turkiye is developing the TF-35,000 to be perfect. as like other Systems MURAD-600A AESA Radar , TOYGUN EOTS , KARAT IRST , FEWS EW Suite , TULGAR HMDS for the KAAN Fighter Jet


Unlike American and British-French engines, Chinese engines have not proven their quality worldwide

Even Chinese E/O Systems are not good

You really should take your medicine, maybe slightly increase the dose and go to bed.

 

[MMM-E]

China does not need you to know at all. Whether you know, pay attention, or acknowledge it, China simply does not care.
Because, for China, Turkey is an optional and almost negligible presence.

And We dont care about Chinese products which are not match for the western technology

The Turkish defense industry has accomplished tremendous things in the last 10 years, and developing/selling cutting-edge products year by year

We are just waiting for our 3 engine projects ( TF-6.000 , TF-10.000 , TF-35.000 ) then the whole world will see who they will choose.

You're spreading propaganda as Turkiye has been trying to develop an engine for 20 years and failed

Türkiye has its own announced timeline: 2032-2035 period.
Instead of saying silly things like "Turkiye is living in a dream world," just wait and see.

Except Chinese nobody is attacking Turkish Projects
because Chinese afraid of Turkish KAAN that will block export of Chinese J-35AE as like Turkish UCAVs blocked Chinese export for UCAVs

 

[royalharris]

And We dont care about Chinese products which are not match for the western technology

The Turkish defense industry has accomplished tremendous things in the last 10 years, and developing/selling cutting-edge products year by year

We are just waiting for our 3 engine projects ( TF-6.000 , TF-10.000 , TF-35.000 ) then the whole world will see who they will choose.

You're spreading propaganda as Turkiye has been trying to develop an engine for 20 years and failed

Türkiye has its own announced timeline: 2032-2035 period.
Instead of saying silly things like "Turkey is living in a dream world," just wait and see.

Good Luck, Wish your dream come true!
Let me say it again: don’t keep trying to elevate yourself by putting the others down.
This will only make people look down your country and nation.

 

[Pokemonte13]

And We dont care about Chinese products which are not match for the western technology

The Turkish defense industry has accomplished tremendous things in the last 10 years, and developing/selling cutting-edge products year by year

We are just waiting for our 3 engine projects ( TF-6.000 , TF-10.000 , TF-35.000 ) then the whole world will see who they will choose.

You're spreading propaganda as Turkiye has been trying to develop an engine for 20 years and failed

Türkiye has its own announced timeline: 2032-2035 period.
Instead of saying silly things like "Turkiye is living in a dream world," just wait and see.

Except Chinese nobody is attacking Turkish Projects
because Chinese afraid of Turkish KAAN that will block export of Chinese J-35AE as like Turkish UCAVs blocked Chinese export for UCAVs

Chinese ucav sales are still going strong second largest after us the reasoning why they are second and not first could be that our system are more combat proven than theirs, that potential buyers fear american sanctions and back in the day chinese system had a bad reputation which still resonates today even if its not true anymore.

That timeline given for TF35000 is an ideal expectation if everything goes well but with such advanced projects giving an accurate timeline is hard and TF 6000/10000 are not just engines but learning experience for TF35000.

Also saying that chines products/systems are no match for western technology is just blatant stupidity they still have issues no doubt about that but name one nation that doesn't has that.

Their biggest shortcoming are their engines that have similar characteristics to western engines like thrust or ir signature but have a lower service life which will improve over time and can be compensated by their huge industry.

 

[hodor]

We can see that China has grown its economy by staying away from wars and conflicts. However, a country that avoids wars cannot properly test and improve its military equipment. I'm almost certain that China would get exposed in a real war

 

[MMM-E]

You really should take your medicine, maybe slightly increase the dose and go to bed.

The Chinese need medicine because they are going crazy seeing the success of Turkish projects and export

KAAN will be another headache to China's export plans

in 2020
MMM-E : KAAN will made maiden flight in 2023
DEINO : You are delusional nationalalist and KAAN is fake propaganda mock up which can not fly

History has proven that I was right.
They're saying the same things now about the TF-35.000 engine

They will find themselves in the same situation again when the time comes
wait and see

 

[Deino]

The Chinese need medicine because they are going crazy seeing the success of Turkish projects and export

You still think I'm a Chinese? ... but at least in this point we agree: "when the time comes ... wait and see"

 

[royalharris]

We can see that China has grown its economy by staying away from wars and conflicts. However, a country that avoids wars cannot properly test and improve its military equipment. I'm almost certain that China would get exposed in a real war

I’m afraid I’ll have to disappoint you: in the Russia–Ukraine war, Russia would dearly love to build its military factories—especially drone factories—directly in China. All of the drone components and chips come from China.

Ukraine is the same: the EU purchases Chinese drone components and related products, then resells them to Ukraine, where they are assembled.

In essence, the drone war in the Russia–Ukraine war is a war between Chinese supply chains.Even some civilian drones have been taken directly onto the Russia–Ukraine battlefield after simple modifications.
China’s exports of integrated circuits and components rose by 83.7% year-on-year from January to April 2026, reaching US$135 billion.In May, the pace of exports accelerated further, with year-on-year growth of 110.9%.

 

[Pakistanithinktank]

We can see that China has grown its economy by staying away from wars and conflicts. However, a country that avoids wars cannot properly test and improve its military equipment. I'm almost certain that China would get exposed in a real war

It’s funny how some people (not you) still talk about Chinese defense tech like it’s stuck in the 1990s. Meanwhile, in the real world, Russia……. yes, Russia, the country that built hypersonic missiles before most people learned how to pronounce “hypersonic” is now running its war machine on Chinese parts like a car running on imported spare tires.

But sure, keep telling yourself China is “behind.”

Iran is not winning because of aliens. The truth is a lot less magical and a lot more uncomfortable. Iran spent decades building a sanctions‑proof industry, and China has been quietly feeding that ecosystem for over ten years. No UFOs required, just industrial capacity and a supply chain that actually works.

And here’s the part people really hate hearing…
China isn’t just helping Russia with a few screws and batteries. China is the primary lifeline keeping Russia’s advanced weapons production alive. That includes:

• Missile production: because those CNC machines didn’t fall from the sky
• Drone manufacturing: the engines, gyros, optics, all stamped “Made in China”
• Precision electronics: the chips Russia can’t make and the West won’t sell
• Industrial machinery, the backbone of every missile factory
• Guidance and navigation systems: the stuff that actually makes a missile hit something

If Chinese tech was as “weak” as some people claim, Russia’s production lines would be sitting there like museum exhibits, nice to look at, completely useless.

But they’re not.
Because China is supplying them with the exact components Western sanctions were supposed to choke off.

So yeah, people can keep underestimating China if it makes them feel better.
But the battlefield isn’t underestimating them.
Russia isn’t underestimating them.
And Iran definitely isn’t underestimating them.

The only people still in denial are the ones who haven’t updated their worldview since Nokia flip phones.

 

[royalharris]

In China, those so-called high-end radar technologies and electro-optical technologies have already moved from military products into civilian applications. A large proportion of the vehicles on Chinese roads are equipped with advanced radar products such as LiDAR and millimeter-wave radar to support autonomous driving.
Of course, these high-end autonomous-driving models are extremely expensive. Overseas, they are mainly used in European and American markets as well as in some wealthy countries, such as Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Brazil, Mexico, Australia, Israel and Singapore. They have not yet entered the Turkish market.
And autonomous driving technology, when applied to the military field, is essentially a manned-unmanned intelligent combat system and the military version of drone swarms.
Some countries have no AI technology, no chip industry, and no automotive-related industry—let alone autonomous driving technology—yet they still fantasize about developing manned-unmanned combat aircraft formations. How laughable.
Of course, it is indeed very difficult to ask people to understand things that lie beyond their knowledge and worldview.

 

[delta2]

Chinese are living in their communist propaganda world
China has no technology to match with high quality NATO-Western standard

China could not sell even high quality Targeting Pod for JF-17 Jets to Pakistan
Pakistan bought Turkish Aselsan ASELPOD targeting Pod


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China use WS-21 Engine (itself evolved from Russian RD-93) to power the J-35AE

WS-19 Engine also inferior to GE-F-110 Engine


A single F-110 produces more thrust than one WS-19 or WS-21

Turkiye already has the capacity to produce an engine similar to the F-110, but Turkiye preferred to develop and started developing a 5th generation turbofan engine with 35,000 lbs of power

We dont need anything from China
China's low quality products are not for Turkish Military projects

Bro China built and launched a fully functioning, all spectrum Chinese made space station, the Chinese satellites run circles around the American ones.

The USA officially considers China as its only peer competitor.

Pakistan choosing Turkish systems was more to do with keeping a windows for NATO standard equipment open than anything else.