Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

As long as the US doesn't renege, Iran has done it.


7 — The United States of America undertakes to terminate all types of sanctions against the Islamic Republic of Iran, including the United Nations Security Council resolutions, IAEA Board of Governors resolutions, and all unilateral US sanctions, primary and secondary, in an agreed upon schedule as part of the final deal. The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States of America acknowledge the critical importance of the sanctions termination issue above mentioned, and expressed their intentions to immediately address these issues in the negotiations in order to achieve mutual agreement on them.

10 — The United States of America undertakes that immediately upon the signing of this MOU and until the termination of sanctions, US Department of Treasury will issue waivers for the export of Iranian crude oil, petroleum products and derivatives, and all associated services, including banking transactions, insurances, transportation, etc.

11 — The United States of America undertakes to make fully available for use the frozen or restricted funds and assets of the Islamic Republic of Iran upon the implementation of this MOU. The United States of America and the Islamic Republic of Iran will mutually agree on the procedures related to the release of these funds during negotiations. Such funds, whether retained in the original account or transferred, shall be made fully usable for payment to any ultimate beneficiary designated by the Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States of America undertakes to issue all necessary licenses and authorizations accordingly.
 
Ali_Baba said:
Surrender for the USA to Iran?

Prior to Trump ripping up the JCPOA deal, Iran was refining to 3% and it seems that they can go back to that. The purpose of refining to a higher level was to try and force the USA back to the JCPOA deal.
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A covert surrender of IRI. Turns out that all of Vance' statements were correct. Iran is giving up her highly enriched uranium and every step of the Iranian nuclear program is getting under the supervision of IAEA.

The situation in Israel has politically imploded because they were unable to achieve all their objectives from this conflict [no missiles, civil war, no nuclear, more sanctions]. It is important that we do not allow our feelings to cloud our judgment. I do not perceive this as a victory for Iran, even if the sanctions were to be lifted, which I believe is unlikely, but that is merely my perspective. Many overlook the upcoming two months of negotiations. If this MoU represents the least that both parties have agreed to, then what lies ahead will likely impose even greater restrictions on Iran's nuclear program.

In my opinion, the United States has emerged as the winner. Iran will be permitted to continue its ballistic program along with some degree of sanctions relief, but it will essentially abandon its nuclear program.

What are you guys celebrating here? The Iranians lost the war if this is the outcome.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm open to change my opinion.
 
VCheng said:
Please do elaborate on what this "it" is that Iran has done. Thanks.
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Surely you can see the immensity of the removal of all sanctions.

Eşbah said:
A covert surrender of IRI. Turns out that all of Vance' statements were correct. Iran is giving up her highly enriched uranium and every step of the Iranian nuclear program is getting under the supervision of IAEA.

The situation in Israel has politically imploded because they were unable to achieve all their objectives from this conflict [no missiles, civil war, no nuclear, more sanctions]. It is important that we do not allow our feelings to cloud our judgment. I do not perceive this as a victory for Iran, even if the sanctions were to be lifted, which I believe is unlikely, but that is merely my perspective. Many overlook the upcoming two months of negotiations. If this MoU represents the least that both parties have agreed to, then what lies ahead will likely impose even greater restrictions on Iran's nuclear program.

In my opinion, the United States has emerged as the winner. Iran will be permitted to continue its ballistic program along with some degree of sanctions relief, but it will essentially abandon its nuclear program.

What are you guys celebrating here? The Iranians lost the war if this is the outcome.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm open to change my opinion.
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You are wrong. The Iranians had no plans to build the bomb as far back as Obama. Now they will have no sanctions that were there since 1979, if this goes through. If it's not a win then it's a pretty sweet defeat, at least.
 
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krash said:
Surely you can see the immensity of the removal of all sanctions.
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Have they been removed, or do we have an unconfirmed draft that states that USA "undertakes to terminate all types of sanctions against the Islamic Republic of Iran, ...... in an agreed upon schedule as part of the final deal. ........ expressed their intentions to immediately address these issues in the negotiations in order to achieve mutual agreement on them."

Not quite the same, Sir.
 
VCheng said:
So when was this payment made and where did these funds come from? Please do tell us.
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Trump says its false. He says he is not paying 10 cents. Also in same setting he is saying its just MoU, and if he don't like it then he will start smacking Iranians if they don't behave.

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I think the 300 billion dollar term is in MoU but how its to be understood or interpreted is not clear. But regardless after seeing this Trump talk I feel that Trump is still negotiating and want to remove some specific points from MoU.

What matter would be the final agreement maybe 60 days later.
 
I dont understand how people can be happy so soon. Sort of premature.

Iran will be losing its nuclear material. If it refuses to let go of it, the bombing will resume. If it does not give it up then Iran has definetly won!

Also, Lebanon is a goner. Israel will not retreat. If it does, then it will definetly be a win, no question about it.

Will the funds for reconstruction be released to Iran. Trump will not send a dime, probably he will ask the Arabs instead. If Iran gets it, then yes, it's a win on that front.

Sanction removal is by far the best outcome if it's implemented. Irans development was being held back just because of that. They are a tenacious bunch of people, highly educated and with removal of sanctions they will easily overtake every country in the region, economically and militarily.

But, Netanyahu's minions have already started threatening the paedophile regime in US with releasing more files. Will it cause Trump to back track or is Netanyahu doing it so that they are given a free hand in lebanon. Time will tell.

Iran should realise that they should not risk their country because of lebanon. I feel they should wait till they have a strong air defence and air force before attacking Israel again if Israel does not stop attacking lebanon or does not return the land. They should go into over drive to have everything within 3 to 6 months and then go ballistic on Israel. But until then just rearm and regroup. Send thousands of FPV drones and hundreds of missiles to Hezbollah and Yemen and then attack Israel if they continue their madness in lebanon or gaza.

But for now stick to the deal regardless of what Israel does in lebanon and at the same time keep threatening to walk away from the deal if Israel does not stop and return the land. So basically rearm themselves, Hezbollah and yemen till they are ready for another round and capable of blocking hormuz and the other side as well.

Edit: Iran should purchase from turkey, China or even pakistan and build stuff themselves. Forget Russia completely
 
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Eşbah said:
A covert surrender of IRI. Turns out that all of Vance' statements were correct. Iran is giving up her highly enriched uranium and every step of the Iranian nuclear program is getting under the supervision of IAEA.
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This was always the case under JCPOA. There is nothing materially different from the terms in the JCPOA and what is in this "deal".
 
Eşbah said:
In my opinion, the United States has emerged as the winner.
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It is still premature to say this.

Eşbah said:
What are you guys celebrating here?
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Typical Premature Celebration.

Eşbah said:
The Iranians lost the war if this is the outcome.
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The outcome is not known yet, so that cannot be said about Iran either.

Eşbah said:
Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm open to change my opinion.
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It is too early to form an intelligent opinion based upon what has happened thus far. There is still much more to happen before we will know that.
 
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