Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

A covert surrender of IRI. Turns out that all of Vance' statements were correct. Iran is giving up her highly enriched uranium and every step of the Iranian nuclear program is getting under the supervision of IAEA.

How can you be so wrong?! The Iranian nuclear program was always a bargaining chip and they have used that wonderfully.
SMH!

 

[SolarWarden]

The vast majority of US offensive capabilities will remain in the region and final couple weeks of 60 day ceasefire if Iran has not fulfilled any or part of deal you're going to see USAF aircraft start flying to the region again. I just can't see Iran destroying their enriched uranium.

 

[Shags101]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-suggests-us-would-have-run-out-of-ammo-if-it-had-kept-bombing-iran/

So this is the time where trump is actually being honest now I’m not saying the military would run out of all weapons but the most high end costly weaponry seems to have reached critical levels air defense missiles and tomahawks etc

 

[krash]

Absolutely! Iran definitely came into stronger position post war then it was pre-war. Its clear as a day. I had written a detailed post in this regard few days back in same thread. Wars are never measured by who dropped more bombs. Wars have geopolitical goals. US clearly lost this war.


Iran didn't had nukes so adding "never will have a nuclear weapon' doesn't hurt Iran a bit. In addition Iran got another nuke which is its influence and control over global power supply choke point. It has displayed that it can block it at will whenever it wants.

But I must also state that some people out of emotions are saying this is even bigger defeat than Vietnam. Not at all! A war where irreplaceable amount of lives and resources and time was invested and it all was lost (a decade + and tens of thousands of US soldiers, 1000s of aircrafts). There's not a remote comparison bw both. Vietnam lost was much more enormous than this mere air campaign only of just 6 weeks.

I don't exactly see it as a defeat for the US either, a debacle yes but just another day in a hegemon's life. It will just walk away with losses it can recoup and still rule the world for its own benefit. The US was there because of the Israeli collar, seems to have shifted a little...Netanyahu should be worried. Nadan dost se dana dushman behtar hai. He isn't fluent in Urdu.

 

[Hazard]

If this deal gets signed and delivered as its written, Iran will eventually go on to become a regional power in this region. This is a breathtaking loss for US/Israel.

Pakistan should spring into action and get the gas/oil deal signed ASAP. Let's flood our country with cheap fossil fuels.

 

[ghazi52]

 

[VCheng]

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ROFL. Iran can't shoot well with its left hand, and USA can't write well with its left hand!

 

[Meengla]

I don't exactly see it as a defeat for the US either, a debacle yes but just another day in a hegemon's life. It will just walk away with losses it can recoup and still rule the world for its own benefit. The US was there because of the Israeli collar, seems to have shifted a little...they should be worried. Dana' dushman, nadan dost se behtar hai. Netanyahu isn't fluent in Urdu.

Right. While I see this is a strategic defeat of Israel but for Americans, it is a setback. As long as Petro Dollar doesn't get replaced by Petro Yuan and as long as the Arab countries continue to buy a large amount of expensive American weaponry, America would be okay.
Israel... on the other hand, has played its last card and lost its last chance.

 

[krash]

Those two indicate that waivers will be given until the final agreement is reached, whenever and however that might happen.

That they do not.

The first will end when the sanctions are lifted, making the waivers moot; "Upon the signing of this MOU and until the termination of sanctions". The second will make the frozen assets fully available at the implementation of the MOU after which they will have been fully taken by the Iranians. The talks can go on.

Israel... on the other hand, has played its last card and lost its last chance.

Don't count them out yet. They are a particularly conniving bunch and have a lot of the US still under their hold.

 

[tsunset]

The main goal of the US in the war was to sink IRIS Dena, a threat to the whole world

 

[VCheng]

That they do not.

The first will end when the sanctions are lifted, making the waivers moot; "Upon the signing of this MOU and until the termination of sanctions". The second will make the frozen assets fully available at the implementation of the MOU after which they will have been fully taken by the Iranians. The talks can go on.

Fair enough, let us wait and see what the final wording is on Friday once it is signed, and the next steps. After all, what is the rush? The war is well over a 100 days already. A few more days is not much more to add to that.

 

[ShapurII]

The vast majority of US offensive capabilities will remain in the region and final couple weeks of 60 day ceasefire if Iran has not fulfilled any or part of deal you're going to see USAF aircraft start flying to the region again. I just can't see Iran destroying their enriched uranium.

It's not technically feasible to destroy it, in my opinion.
First of all, destruction is meaningless. You cannot destroy an element. Secondly, even if Iran wants to dilute it or hand it over, first it must be recovered fully.

You are talking about thousands of kilograms of HEU stored as UF6 gas, stored underground. Even if some of these containers have been damaged, you're dealing with a gas leak, contaminating the nearby dirt. This is probably why Trump calls it nuclear dirt.

The US cannot recover this material militarily. Even if Iran wants to do it, I'm sure it will take months and needs cooperation with the IAEA using top-notch technology.

I think at the end, the US may settle for just an IAEA verification that our HEU hasn't been relocated to a different place. That's as good as it gets.

 

[Jagga Badmash]

Like Raptor said in other thread......


"MOU released with two more months of negotiations. Remember the MOU is NOT a final deal.

Bottom line, Iran has to cease nuclear enrichment and HEU handed over and destroyed or they get NOTHING. That seems to be lost among many here.

Also, lots of people hung up over this $300B. Iran sees zero, nothing, nada of that until US demands are met, and that reconstruction fund is likely being financed by Gulf nations. As for the oil sanction waiver, Iran was selling oil up until the blockade was enacted in April. Thats a nothingburger"

You get it now? This is a glorified ceasefire with conditions and if any of those conditions are not met Iran gets nothing and after 60 days strikes resume and blockade.

As far as 300B$ USD concern JD Vance denied making any promise or bieng a part of the deal even Trump says no such thing yet finalized even JD vance told media he can release all terms and conditions of MOU but due to the request of Pakistan and Qatar they will real=se the complete text after the signing of MOU or after few days of 19th drama at Geneva.

 

[ParthianLord]

Trump claims USA would have collapsed if he not ended the War with Iran "As they would have run out of Oil"

 

[BananaRepublic]

Dubious interview.

Like Raptor said in other thread......


"MOU released with two more months of negotiations. Remember the MOU is NOT a final deal.

Bottom line, Iran has to cease nuclear enrichment and HEU handed over and destroyed or they get NOTHING. That seems to be lost among many here.

Also, lots of people hung up over this $300B. Iran sees zero, nothing, nada of that until US demands are met, and that reconstruction fund is likely being financed by Gulf nations. As for the oil sanction waiver, Iran was selling oil up until the blockade was enacted in April. Thats a nothingburger"

You get it now? This is a glorified ceasefire with conditions and if any of those conditions are not met Iran gets nothing and after 60 days strikes resume and blockade.

Lot of cope and wet dreams in your post.

USA went to war for regime change and missile capability.

USA has accepted neither are viable via wars.

Bombing isn’t resuming unless Iran attacks US first.

And SoH will be blocked if sanctions return.

Without sanctions - Iran will slowly rebuild.

Iran has already offered freezing enrichment as long as frozen money is returned.

Given Trump has accepted defeat on regime change and missile tech - there’s no reason for war to resume.