Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Too early to celebrate anything, I think the US is playing a dirty game with our negotiators.

The US will not uphold its end of the bargain. Remember this.
This MoU is just an excuse for the US to do something about international oil reserves and their air defense.

However, if the final deal ever happens and all sanctions on Iran, including UNSC sanctions, primary & secondary US sanctions and EU sanctions are lifted indefinitely, then it is absolutely an undeniable victory for Iran.
 
ShapurII said:
It's not technically feasible to destroy it, in my opinion.
First of all, destruction is meaningless. You cannot destroy an element. Secondly, even if Iran wants to dilute it or hand it over, first it must be recovered fully.

You are talking about thousands of kilograms of HEU stored as UF6 gas, stored underground. Even if some of these containers have been damaged, you're dealing with a gas leak, contaminating the nearby dirt. This is probably why Trump calls it nuclear dirt.

The US cannot recover this material militarily. Even if Iran wants to do it, I'm sure it will take months and needs cooperation with the IAEA using top-notch technology.

I think at the end, the US may settle for just an IAEA verification that our HEU hasn't been relocated to a different place. That's as good as it gets.
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We need your input. What's your opinion on this MoU? Was I too harsh here: https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...an-iran-responds.14927/page-9304#post-1317225
 
BananaRepublic said:
Lot of cope and wet dreams in your post.

USA went to war for regime change and missile capability.

USA has accepted neither are viable via wars.

Bombing isn’t resuming unless Iran attacks US first.

And SoH will be blocked if sanctions return.

Without sanctions - Iran will slowly rebuild.

Iran has already offered freezing enrichment as long as frozen money is returned.

Given Trump has accepted defeat on regime change and missile tech - there’s no reason for war to resume.
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What in my simple, 2-word post do you deem to be cope? There is no credible evidence of the IRIAF having conducted an airstrike using F-5s on Camp Buehring.

If you can provide verifiable evidence such a strike did indeed happen, I will retract my post. Until then, dubious interview.
 
ParthianLord said:
Trump claims USA would have collapsed if he not ended the War with Iran "As they would have run out of Oil"

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Trump: "We would run out of reserves in four weeks".
Straight from the horse's mouth. And hence there is the Deal and hence there will be no future war involving America against Iran.
But, hey, the trolls here, despite seeing all the drafts in reputable sites, keep insisting on wanting to see the final MOU. As if the reaction of the Israelis and the Israel Firsters is not enough!!
 
Eşbah said:
We need your input. What's your opinion on this MoU? Was I too harsh here: https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...an-iran-responds.14927/page-9304#post-1317225
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I read your post. I actually agree with you to some extent but it is too early to know what is going to happen. I think we need to wait and see what will happen after 60 days. So far, Iran hasn't handed over its HEU and we have lost nothing yet.

The truth is that Iran's civilian nuclear program was useless. It was not worth keeping because it was too inefficient and costly. Iran was unable to produce even one year worth of LEU for just a single nuclear reactor at Bushehr. Also, most of the natural uranium reserves in the world are already controlled by nuclear powers like Russia and the US. Iran doesn't have enough natural uranium reserves to sustain a civilian nuclear program on its own.
Meanwhile, Iran's nuclear weapons program had been stuck in the stage of design and early cold-tests since late 90s and early 2000s. The CIA constantly verified that it saw no indication of a weapons program in Iran past-2003. So, in reality, the supporters of the Islamic Republic can argue that Iran is not losing much by giving up on its HEU as we never intended to go for nuclear weapons after 2003. On paper, they could be right but I think it is certainly a huge loss for Iran.

On the other hand, if Iran manages to permanently end all UNSC sanctions, primary and secondary US sanctions, EU sanctions on Iran, then this is a huge achievement in itself. It does strengthen Iran's internal security. So, short of getting nuked by a belligerent state like Israel or the US, Iran will eventually end up much stronger than before. This will ensure Iran's long-term security, both internally and regionally, more than some useless "nuclear threshold" or a few nuclear warheads in the magnitude of kilotons.

However, I am not very optimistic. I think this memorandum of understanding is just a US tactic to prepare for the future rounds of war. The US is not going to give up this easily. If things stay like this, it will be a historic humiliation for the US.
 
Eşbah said:
A covert surrender of IRI. Turns out that all of Vance' statements were correct. Iran is giving up her highly enriched uranium and every step of the Iranian nuclear program is getting under the supervision of IAEA.

The situation in Israel has politically imploded because they were unable to achieve all their objectives from this conflict [no missiles, civil war, no nuclear, more sanctions]. It is important that we do not allow our feelings to cloud our judgment. I do not perceive this as a victory for Iran, even if the sanctions were to be lifted, which I believe is unlikely, but that is merely my perspective. Many overlook the upcoming two months of negotiations. If this MoU represents the least that both parties have agreed to, then what lies ahead will likely impose even greater restrictions on Iran's nuclear program.

In my opinion, the United States has emerged as the winner. Iran will be permitted to continue its ballistic program along with some degree of sanctions relief, but it will essentially abandon its nuclear program.

What are you guys celebrating here? The Iranians lost the war if this is the outcome.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm open to change my opinion.
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Err… news flash, Iran didn’t have any highly enriched uranium and its nuclear program was already under IAEA, under the accord approved by Obama. So your ‘victory’ is getting what you already had before Orange Idiot tore it up? Sounds to me more like cope than victory.
 
TAC said:
Err… news flash, Iran didn’t have any highly enriched uranium and its nuclear program was already under IAEA, under the accord approved by Obama. So your ‘victory’ is getting what you already had before Orange Idiot tore it up? Sounds to me more like cope than victory.
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Yep.

PDF Yanks are in MAGA cope mode.

Going to the extent of creating their own cope thread. 🤣
 
tsunset said:
Interview with the heroes that bombed US base in Kuwait with F-5s in near suicide mission
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For the non-Iranians, he says that the 3 F-15s that were shot down by the Kuwaiti pilot were shot down because they were moving towards Iran at the same time that our jet fighters had just bombed the Buehring Camp and the Kuwaiti pilot thought he was targeting our F-5s.
 
AZ_HighCountry said:
What in my simple, 2-word post do you deem to be cope? There is no credible evidence of the IRIAF having conducted an airstrike using F-5s on Camp Buehring.

If you can provide verifiable evidence such a strike did indeed happen, I will retract my post. Until then, dubious interview.
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Well the strike did occur it was reported by American news services I think it was nbc or abc that first broke the story now how many aircraft were involved or what was bombed no one knows as of yet but it did occur
www.nbcnews.com

Iran caused more extensive damage to U.S. military bases than publicly known

U.S. bases and equipment across the Middle East came under attack — including from an Iranian F-5, despite American air defenses — and repairs could cost billions of dollars.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
Well I took 2 seconds out of my time to find the article it’s not free anymore
 
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