Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[tsunset]

The main goal of the US in the war was to sink IRIS Dena, a threat to the whole world

 

[VCheng]

That they do not.

The first will end when the sanctions are lifted, making the waivers moot; "Upon the signing of this MOU and until the termination of sanctions". The second will make the frozen assets fully available at the implementation of the MOU after which they will have been fully taken by the Iranians. The talks can go on.

Fair enough, let us wait and see what the final wording is on Friday once it is signed, and the next steps. After all, what is the rush? The war is well over a 100 days already. A few more days is not much more to add to that.

 

[ShapurII]

The vast majority of US offensive capabilities will remain in the region and final couple weeks of 60 day ceasefire if Iran has not fulfilled any or part of deal you're going to see USAF aircraft start flying to the region again. I just can't see Iran destroying their enriched uranium.

It's not technically feasible to destroy it, in my opinion.
First of all, destruction is meaningless. You cannot destroy an element. Secondly, even if Iran wants to dilute it or hand it over, first it must be recovered fully.

You are talking about thousands of kilograms of HEU stored as UF6 gas, stored underground. Even if some of these containers have been damaged, you're dealing with a gas leak, contaminating the nearby dirt. This is probably why Trump calls it nuclear dirt.

The US cannot recover this material militarily. Even if Iran wants to do it, I'm sure it will take months and needs cooperation with the IAEA using top-notch technology.

I think at the end, the US may settle for just an IAEA verification that our HEU hasn't been relocated to a different place. That's as good as it gets.

 

[Jagga Badmash]

Like Raptor said in other thread......


"MOU released with two more months of negotiations. Remember the MOU is NOT a final deal.

Bottom line, Iran has to cease nuclear enrichment and HEU handed over and destroyed or they get NOTHING. That seems to be lost among many here.

Also, lots of people hung up over this $300B. Iran sees zero, nothing, nada of that until US demands are met, and that reconstruction fund is likely being financed by Gulf nations. As for the oil sanction waiver, Iran was selling oil up until the blockade was enacted in April. Thats a nothingburger"

You get it now? This is a glorified ceasefire with conditions and if any of those conditions are not met Iran gets nothing and after 60 days strikes resume and blockade.

As far as 300B$ USD concern JD Vance denied making any promise or bieng a part of the deal even Trump says no such thing yet finalized even JD vance told media he can release all terms and conditions of MOU but due to the request of Pakistan and Qatar they will real=se the complete text after the signing of MOU or after few days of 19th drama at Geneva.

 

[ParthianLord]

Trump claims USA would have collapsed if he not ended the War with Iran "As they would have run out of Oil"

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[BananaRepublic]

Dubious interview.

Like Raptor said in other thread......


"MOU released with two more months of negotiations. Remember the MOU is NOT a final deal.

Bottom line, Iran has to cease nuclear enrichment and HEU handed over and destroyed or they get NOTHING. That seems to be lost among many here.

Also, lots of people hung up over this $300B. Iran sees zero, nothing, nada of that until US demands are met, and that reconstruction fund is likely being financed by Gulf nations. As for the oil sanction waiver, Iran was selling oil up until the blockade was enacted in April. Thats a nothingburger"

You get it now? This is a glorified ceasefire with conditions and if any of those conditions are not met Iran gets nothing and after 60 days strikes resume and blockade.

Lot of cope and wet dreams in your post.

USA went to war for regime change and missile capability.

USA has accepted neither are viable via wars.

Bombing isn’t resuming unless Iran attacks US first.

And SoH will be blocked if sanctions return.

Without sanctions - Iran will slowly rebuild.

Iran has already offered freezing enrichment as long as frozen money is returned.

Given Trump has accepted defeat on regime change and missile tech - there’s no reason for war to resume.

 

[ShapurII]

Too early to celebrate anything, I think the US is playing a dirty game with our negotiators.

The US will not uphold its end of the bargain. Remember this.
This MoU is just an excuse for the US to do something about international oil reserves and their air defense.

However, if the final deal ever happens and all sanctions on Iran, including UNSC sanctions, primary & secondary US sanctions and EU sanctions are lifted indefinitely, then it is absolutely an undeniable victory for Iran.

 

[Eşbah]

It's not technically feasible to destroy it, in my opinion.
First of all, destruction is meaningless. You cannot destroy an element. Secondly, even if Iran wants to dilute it or hand it over, first it must be recovered fully.

You are talking about thousands of kilograms of HEU stored as UF6 gas, stored underground. Even if some of these containers have been damaged, you're dealing with a gas leak, contaminating the nearby dirt. This is probably why Trump calls it nuclear dirt.

The US cannot recover this material militarily. Even if Iran wants to do it, I'm sure it will take months and needs cooperation with the IAEA using top-notch technology.

I think at the end, the US may settle for just an IAEA verification that our HEU hasn't been relocated to a different place. That's as good as it gets.

We need your input. What's your opinion on this MoU? Was I too harsh here: https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...an-iran-responds.14927/page-9304#post-1317225

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

Lot of cope and wet dreams in your post.

USA went to war for regime change and missile capability.

USA has accepted neither are viable via wars.

Bombing isn’t resuming unless Iran attacks US first.

And SoH will be blocked if sanctions return.

Without sanctions - Iran will slowly rebuild.

Iran has already offered freezing enrichment as long as frozen money is returned.

Given Trump has accepted defeat on regime change and missile tech - there’s no reason for war to resume.

What in my simple, 2-word post do you deem to be cope? There is no credible evidence of the IRIAF having conducted an airstrike using F-5s on Camp Buehring.

If you can provide verifiable evidence such a strike did indeed happen, I will retract my post. Until then, dubious interview.

 

[Meengla]

Trump claims USA would have collapsed if he not ended the War with Iran "As they would have run out of Oil"

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Trump: "We would run out of reserves in four weeks".
Straight from the horse's mouth. And hence there is the Deal and hence there will be no future war involving America against Iran.
But, hey, the trolls here, despite seeing all the drafts in reputable sites, keep insisting on wanting to see the final MOU. As if the reaction of the Israelis and the Israel Firsters is not enough!!

 

[RedRock]

Dubious interview.

Any translation of they r saying?

 

[RocketLaw]

Trump HUMILIATES Netanyahu at the G7 Press Conference After Iran MoU Defiance

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[AZ_HighCountry]

Any translation of they r saying?

I don't read or speak Persian (Iranian folks, please correct me on the official language) and the translate function in my browser is currently hosed.

 

[ShapurII]

We need your input. What's your opinion on this MoU? Was I too harsh here: https://defencepk.com/forums/thread...an-iran-responds.14927/page-9304#post-1317225

I read your post. I actually agree with you to some extent but it is too early to know what is going to happen. I think we need to wait and see what will happen after 60 days. So far, Iran hasn't handed over its HEU and we have lost nothing yet.

The truth is that Iran's civilian nuclear program was useless. It was not worth keeping because it was too inefficient and costly. Iran was unable to produce even one year worth of LEU for just a single nuclear reactor at Bushehr. Also, most of the natural uranium reserves in the world are already controlled by nuclear powers like Russia and the US. Iran doesn't have enough natural uranium reserves to sustain a civilian nuclear program on its own.
Meanwhile, Iran's nuclear weapons program had been stuck in the stage of design and early cold-tests since late 90s and early 2000s. The CIA constantly verified that it saw no indication of a weapons program in Iran past-2003. So, in reality, the supporters of the Islamic Republic can argue that Iran is not losing much by giving up on its HEU as we never intended to go for nuclear weapons after 2003. On paper, they could be right but I think it is certainly a huge loss for Iran.

On the other hand, if Iran manages to permanently end all UNSC sanctions, primary and secondary US sanctions, EU sanctions on Iran, then this is a huge achievement in itself. It does strengthen Iran's internal security. So, short of getting nuked by a belligerent state like Israel or the US, Iran will eventually end up much stronger than before. This will ensure Iran's long-term security, both internally and regionally, more than some useless "nuclear threshold" or a few nuclear warheads in the magnitude of kilotons.

However, I am not very optimistic. I think this memorandum of understanding is just a US tactic to prepare for the future rounds of war. The US is not going to give up this easily. If things stay like this, it will be a historic humiliation for the US.

 

[TAC]

A covert surrender of IRI. Turns out that all of Vance' statements were correct. Iran is giving up her highly enriched uranium and every step of the Iranian nuclear program is getting under the supervision of IAEA.

The situation in Israel has politically imploded because they were unable to achieve all their objectives from this conflict [no missiles, civil war, no nuclear, more sanctions]. It is important that we do not allow our feelings to cloud our judgment. I do not perceive this as a victory for Iran, even if the sanctions were to be lifted, which I believe is unlikely, but that is merely my perspective. Many overlook the upcoming two months of negotiations. If this MoU represents the least that both parties have agreed to, then what lies ahead will likely impose even greater restrictions on Iran's nuclear program.

In my opinion, the United States has emerged as the winner. Iran will be permitted to continue its ballistic program along with some degree of sanctions relief, but it will essentially abandon its nuclear program.

What are you guys celebrating here? The Iranians lost the war if this is the outcome.

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm open to change my opinion.

Err… news flash, Iran didn’t have any highly enriched uranium and its nuclear program was already under IAEA, under the accord approved by Obama. So your ‘victory’ is getting what you already had before Orange Idiot tore it up? Sounds to me more like cope than victory.