VCheng
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I would love to see some data that supports your statements above, thanks.
Arab Gulf states… a strategic victory without war
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I would love to see some data that supports your statements above, thanks.
The SC
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Just before this war there was no beef between the GCC and Iran..might be because the latter assured them it won't go nuclear.. like it has convinced Trump now.. But the real entity that was after Iran going nuclear is Israel..Natanyahu was boosting last week that he was fighting the Iranian nuclear program for the last 35 years non-stop..
The GCC was concerned too but they've got reassurance from Iran ..that's why the relationship sponsored by China have succeeded..and since than everything was going smoothly between them..This last war just shook up that smoothness..and who else could have benefited from this shake up apart from Israel..
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VCheng
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VCheng
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So nothing more than "trust me, bro!".
There is simply nothing to support the claims made here, Sir.
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What is clear that Iran continued to invest billions upon billions into enriching weapons-grade uranium, as well as all needed ancillary technologies to deliver such weapons.
mythbuster
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Their cost of production is lowest in the world ....they can make profit even at $ 10 a barrel.
VCheng
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Fair enough, let us see what happens to the HEU at this point. That will tell us all a lot.
mythbuster
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" Submarine nuclear reactors " ..are you buying this claim from the twilight zone ?
_Arabia_
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What is the point and logic of lumping all GCC states together? Next, why not lump all 20 + Arab countries together from Mauritania to Comoros?
KSA (by far the largest country in the region and by far the richest in terms of natural resources and economic size, and the best performing in terms of almost all economic indicators), for instance, was virtually left untouched by this conflict. In fact, KSA only gained from this conflict.
Economically (record-high oil revenues), KSA is becoming even more of a regional aviation hub (the airspace of KSA became one of the busiest in the world, and the conflict never impacted us in this regard—nor in terms of tourism numbers, Umrah, or Hajj). Barely anything of value was ever hit in KSA, to begin with, let alone damaged or destroyed.
Geopolitically, the conflict also once again underscored that KSA is the backbone of the GCC and that KSA kept the smaller GCC states alive economically, trade-wise, logistically, and even to an extent militarily.
The biggest loser in the GCC, by all accounts, is the UAE, which has steered a largely confrontational policy towards KSA. Being the main economic rival in the GCC as well. So by all accounts, Iran did us a favor here.
Meanwhile, much of Iran's leadership was annihilated; they suffered tens of thousands of casualties (in comparison, one Saudi Arabian oil engineer became a martyr, and two Bangladeshi migrants perished when debris from an intercepted missile fell in Al-Kharj Governorate), $300 billion USD in material damages, and likely the end of their nuclear ambitions for the foreseeable future, etc.
And no, contrary to popular belief, it suits KSA fine to have some backward mullahs running Iran into the ground. The most important thing here (where KSA played a key role) was to weaken the Iranian regime's tentacles in the Arab world. What is left is only a further weakened Hezbollah proxy. Iraq (as a state—the official Iraqi military has closer ties with KSA than with Iran, for instance) did not side with Iran, and most importantly for KSA, the Houthis (who have reached an understanding with KSA ages ago) did not do anything of note and never even attacked KSA once.
Lastly, only a fool believes that this is "over." Real long-term conclusions cannot be drawn already but will likely take years to manifest.
Also there is virtually nothing impressive about attacking tiny GCC states with missiles and drones, hitting some oil and gas infrastructure, largely empty military bases or a few hotel rooms. Rag tag militias like ISIS did similar 10 + years ago. The only difference being them lacking missiles.
Likewise even the tiniest GCC states like Kuwait or Qatar (their air forces alone) are well capable of destroying/damaging/attacking Iranian oil and gas infrastructure as well as targeting other targets. In fact by all reports, KSA and UAE alone already did that by retaliating during the conflict.
www.aljazeera.com
However it is clear that in an all-out war, oil and gas infrastructure in all countries will be targeted and damaged which is not in the interests of any party (other than maybe Israel and the US itself) which is why no huge damage across the board occurred during the conflict in this regard.
It is also obvious, even for the biggest idiot, that GCC, being one of the wealthiest regions on the planet, have more to lose, than a sanctioned and failed (economically) Iran that has almost a 2 times smaller economy than 10 million big UAE alone. The GCC alone is almost a 3 trillion USD economy with sovereign wealth funds (largest on the planet by far) worth around 6-7 trillion USD.
KSA (by far the largest country in the region and by far the richest in terms of natural resources and economic size, and the best performing in terms of almost all economic indicators), for instance, was virtually left untouched by this conflict. In fact, KSA only gained from this conflict.
Economically (record-high oil revenues), KSA is becoming even more of a regional aviation hub (the airspace of KSA became one of the busiest in the world, and the conflict never impacted us in this regard—nor in terms of tourism numbers, Umrah, or Hajj). Barely anything of value was ever hit in KSA, to begin with, let alone damaged or destroyed.
Geopolitically, the conflict also once again underscored that KSA is the backbone of the GCC and that KSA kept the smaller GCC states alive economically, trade-wise, logistically, and even to an extent militarily.
The biggest loser in the GCC, by all accounts, is the UAE, which has steered a largely confrontational policy towards KSA. Being the main economic rival in the GCC as well. So by all accounts, Iran did us a favor here.
Meanwhile, much of Iran's leadership was annihilated; they suffered tens of thousands of casualties (in comparison, one Saudi Arabian oil engineer became a martyr, and two Bangladeshi migrants perished when debris from an intercepted missile fell in Al-Kharj Governorate), $300 billion USD in material damages, and likely the end of their nuclear ambitions for the foreseeable future, etc.
And no, contrary to popular belief, it suits KSA fine to have some backward mullahs running Iran into the ground. The most important thing here (where KSA played a key role) was to weaken the Iranian regime's tentacles in the Arab world. What is left is only a further weakened Hezbollah proxy. Iraq (as a state—the official Iraqi military has closer ties with KSA than with Iran, for instance) did not side with Iran, and most importantly for KSA, the Houthis (who have reached an understanding with KSA ages ago) did not do anything of note and never even attacked KSA once.
Lastly, only a fool believes that this is "over." Real long-term conclusions cannot be drawn already but will likely take years to manifest.
Also there is virtually nothing impressive about attacking tiny GCC states with missiles and drones, hitting some oil and gas infrastructure, largely empty military bases or a few hotel rooms. Rag tag militias like ISIS did similar 10 + years ago. The only difference being them lacking missiles.
Likewise even the tiniest GCC states like Kuwait or Qatar (their air forces alone) are well capable of destroying/damaging/attacking Iranian oil and gas infrastructure as well as targeting other targets. In fact by all reports, KSA and UAE alone already did that by retaliating during the conflict.
Qatar downs two Iranian fighter jets as conflict widens
Qatari Defence Ministry also says seven ballistic missiles and five drones fired by Iran were intercepted.
However it is clear that in an all-out war, oil and gas infrastructure in all countries will be targeted and damaged which is not in the interests of any party (other than maybe Israel and the US itself) which is why no huge damage across the board occurred during the conflict in this regard.
It is also obvious, even for the biggest idiot, that GCC, being one of the wealthiest regions on the planet, have more to lose, than a sanctioned and failed (economically) Iran that has almost a 2 times smaller economy than 10 million big UAE alone. The GCC alone is almost a 3 trillion USD economy with sovereign wealth funds (largest on the planet by far) worth around 6-7 trillion USD.
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Starlord
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so Tens of Thousands of Iranian Casualties, 1 Saudi Engineer MARTYRED, and 2 Bangladeshi Perish... interesting choice of words, but tells me everything wrong with the Muslim world, do carry on.
hydrabadi_arab
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No offence to Gulf arabs but there is no victory for you here. Iran have established itself as regional hegemon. USA will leave soon. Gulf arabs were scared shit to retaliate and Iranians smelled that fear right through it.
Pakistan which didn't even wait a day to strike back at Iran in 2024 was selling churan of restrain. Same Pakistan shot down 7-0 Indian jets in 30 minutes after their first strike, forcing them to call for ceasefire and eventual Trump mediation.
Going forward all of GCC need to sign comprehensive mutual defence agreements with Pakistan to deter Iran.
Pakistan which didn't even wait a day to strike back at Iran in 2024 was selling churan of restrain. Same Pakistan shot down 7-0 Indian jets in 30 minutes after their first strike, forcing them to call for ceasefire and eventual Trump mediation.
Going forward all of GCC need to sign comprehensive mutual defence agreements with Pakistan to deter Iran.
_Arabia_
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Saudi Arabians are not Gulf Arabs and nobody is worried about an entity that has never defeated Arabs even once in any single war let alone conflict. The only thing that Iran can do is damage oil and gas infrastructure in the GCC. Nothing more and nothing less. Similarly even the smallest GCC air forces can destroy Iranian gas and oil infrastructure as well.
And no, GCC states already retaliated on numerous occasions. I posted 3 sources already and there are 100's out there.
And in any case, my main focus is on KSA which was virtually left untouched as I wrote and nobody (as in people) is scared of anything, lol.
If KSA was worried, KSA would not have been (actively) for almost 2 months, the main logistical hub of the US military.
Without KSA, the US could not have attacked Iran this heavily and caused it so much damage.
Which I am personally fine with because the Iranian regime has been aiding anti-KSA elements continuously since 1979 so this is only payback and well deserved.
hydrabadi_arab
SpeedLimited
What is the point and logic of lumping all GCC states together? Next, why not lump all 20 + Arab countries together from Mauritania to Comoros?
KSA (by far the largest country in the region and by far the richest in terms of natural resources and economic size, and the best performing in terms of almost all economic indicators), for instance, was virtually left untouched by this conflict. In fact, KSA only gained from this conflict.
Economically (record-high oil revenues), KSA is becoming even more of a regional aviation hub (the airspace of KSA became one of the busiest in the world, and the conflict never impacted us in this regard—nor in terms of tourism numbers, Umrah, or Hajj). Barely anything of value was ever hit in KSA, to begin with, let alone damaged or destroyed.
Geopolitically, the conflict also once again underscored that KSA is the backbone of the GCC and that KSA kept the smaller GCC states alive economically, trade-wise, logistically, and even to an extent militarily.
The biggest loser in the GCC, by all accounts, is the UAE, which has steered a largely confrontational policy towards KSA. Being the main economic rival in the GCC as well. So by all accounts, Iran did us a favor here.
Meanwhile, much of Iran's leadership was annihilated; they suffered tens of thousands of casualties (in comparison, one Saudi Arabian oil engineer became a martyr, and two Bangladeshi migrants perished when debris from an intercepted missile fell in Al-Kharj Governorate), $300 billion USD in material damages, and likely the end of their nuclear ambitions for the foreseeable future, etc.
And no, contrary to popular belief, it suits KSA fine to have some backward mullahs running Iran into the ground. The most important thing here (where KSA played a key role) was to weaken the Iranian regime's tentacles in the Arab world. What is left is only a further weakened Hezbollah proxy. Iraq (as a state—the official Iraqi military has closer ties with KSA than with Iran, for instance) did not side with Iran, and most importantly for KSA, the Houthis (who have reached an understanding with KSA ages ago) did not do anything of note and never even attacked KSA once.
Lastly, only a fool believes that this is "over." Real long-term conclusions cannot be drawn already but will likely take years to manifest.
Also there is virtually nothing impressive about attacking tiny GCC states with missiles and drones, hitting some oil and gas infrastructure, largely empty military bases or a few hotel rooms. Rag tag militias like ISIS did similar 10 + years ago. The only difference being them lacking missiles.
Likewise even the tiniest GCC states like Kuwait or Qatar (their air forces alone) are well capable of destroying/damaging/attacking Iranian oil and gas infrastructure as well as targeting other targets. In fact by all reports, KSA and UAE alone already did that by retaliating during the conflict.
Qatar downs two Iranian fighter jets as conflict widens
Qatari Defence Ministry also says seven ballistic missiles and five drones fired by Iran were intercepted.
However it is clear that in an all-out war, oil and gas infrastructure in all countries will be targeted and damaged which is not in the interests of any party (other than maybe Israel and the US itself) which is why no huge damage across the board occurred during the conflict in this regard.
It is also obvious, even for the biggest idiot, that GCC, being one of the wealthiest regions on the planet, have more to lose, than a sanctioned and failed (economically) Iran that has almost a 2 times smaller economy than 10 million big UAE alone. The GCC alone is almost a 3 trillion USD economy with sovereign wealth funds (largest on the planet by far) worth around 6-7 trillion USD.
Clearly you don't know a S of strategic victory mean.
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