Arab Gulf states… a strategic victory without war

Even if its investment thats huge. Before war Iran was screwed economically and protests were common where mullahs had to kill thousands. Post war Iran will become economic powerhouse.
They are screwed economically today as well. 300 + billion in infrastructural damage apparently after this "war" (air bombing campaign rather - no boots on the ground at all) .

Their current GDP is almost 2 times smaller than tiny UAE. 10 times smaller than the GCC currently.

Trump just recently said today (saw the short clip of his on X where he also threatened to drop bombs on Iran's head) that they will not give them anything. KSA for sure will not and likewise no other GCC states too.

Frozen Iranian assets (read Iranian, not Arab, American or Martian) somehow stored in UAE or Qatar, could be realesed. That is most likely all.
 
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I don't know about other GCC states (for instance UAE was the main hub for Iranian firms in the region, hosting the largest Iranian diaspora, the main smuggling route for Iranian sanction busting entreprises - ironically) but KSA is likely not going to invest anything within Iran. KSA and Iran signed some type of peace, brokered by the Chinese, a few years ago, and I have not to date heard any noteworthy KSA investments in Iran. For starters it makes little sense to invest in a deeply sanctioned country where over half of the wealth is controlled by the corrupt IRGC and their leadership. Most importantly it makes no sense to invest in a hostile regime that since 1979 has been aiding anti-KSA elements in the region.

However geopolitical events are a strange bedfellow. An unhinged Israel is a danger for everyone in the region. UAE shenanigans also make strange bedfellows. See where those two stand in Sudan for instance.

There is potential for a normal relationship here but it requires a sane leadership in Iran.

As I wrote many times, there are ancient millennia old trade ties between Southern Iran (Iranian Arab and Persian heartland of Iran) next door and Eastern Arabia.
Nobody is going to invest anything unless the profits are huge and assured.
 
You are the one who made the insinuation that Pakistani will be the guards like the Hyderabadi Nawabs had like Yemenis and some others.
That is my assumption because otherwise, to make a difference on the ground in any conflict, let alone against potential existential threats (Israel - only due to their nuclear triad) and the USA, far more than 1500 soldiers, mostly retirees and advisors, are needed.

I see it as nothing else than Pakistani goodwill and a testament to the close Saudi Arabian-Pakistani ties since 1950's. There is also an element of many (most) Pakistanis (average religious Muslims) having a great affinity to KSA (Hejaz, Makkah and Madinah - heartlands of Islam after all), millions of Pakistanis likely seeing it as an honor to guard those holy places and ensure peace.

Not to mention that Pakistan is dependent, often been the case, on Saudi Arabian loans, economic help, largest Pakistani diaspora in the world based in KSA etc.

Also Pakistan is the much stronger military power courtesy of nukes and much larger manpower and being at war/conflict (existential one) with a much larger neighbor in India.

But like any regime, particular in our region, rulers are always afraid of being usurped by powerful local factions. The House of Saud has survived for 300 years in KSA because they have intermarried with all the most powerful noble families, clans and tribes and embedded themselves in the society. However they are dependent on those elites (like everywhere else) to retain power.

Within every regime there are many factions that are always competing for power and to assert their positions. What has occurred in KSA since 2015, in particular since 2017, has been a silent coup with many of the old guards replaced.

Also can we stop this stupid "Gulf Arab" nonsense. 99% of all Saudi Arabians are not Gulf Arabs (Khaliji speaking Arabs which are found from Southern Iraq, South Iran and across the entire Gulf all the way to Northern Oman).

As a Hejazi we are literally closer geographically to Turkey/Greece/Cyprus/Sham/Egypt next door than far away Eastern Arabia or Southeastern Arabia.

Arabia/Arabian Peninsula (largest peninsula on the planet) is the size of India.

Imagine calling Sikh Punjabi Indians next door to Pakistan, or Mongoloid North East Indians next to China and Myanmar or Tamils in Southern India for the same thing and grouping them together as if they were exactly the same.

Even within Eastern Arabia there are quite large differences in dialect, culture, ancient history, cuisine, sects, geography etc.

For instance North Saudi Arabia is closer to South Ukraine than South Saudi Arabia is to North Saudi Arabia.
 
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That is my assumption because otherwise, to make a difference on the ground in any conflict, let alone against potential existential threats (Israel - only due to their nuclear triad) and the USA, far more than 1500 soldiers, mostly retirees and advisors, are needed.

I see it as nothing else than Pakistani goodwill and a testament to the close Saudi Arabian-Pakistani ties since 1950's. There is also an element of many (most) Pakistanis (average religious Muslims) having a great affinity to KSA (Hejaz, Makkah and Madinah - heartlands of Islam after all), millions of Pakistanis likely seeing it as an honor to guard those holy places and ensure peace.

Not to mention that Pakistan is dependent, often been the case, on Saudi Arabian loans, economic help, largest Pakistani diaspora in the world based in KSA etc.

Also Pakistan is the much stronger military power courtesy of nukes and much larger manpower and being at war/conflict (existential one) with a much larger neighbor in India.

But like any regime, particular in our region, rulers are always afraid of being usurped by powerful local factions. The House of Saud has survived for 300 years in KSA because they have intermarried with all the most powerful noble families, clans and tribes and embedded themselves in the society. However they are dependent on those elites (like everywhere else) to retain power.

Within every regime there are many factions that are always competing for power and to assert their positions. What has occurred in KSA since 2015, in particular since 2017, has been a silent coup with many of the old guards replaced.
No disagreement on this.
 
you can tell anything about you want about India. the world does not see it that way

On Israel most of countries are close to moving on. Israel Arab neighbors have recognized Israel. Turkey has had diplomatic ties. Saudis are all but ready to.

Of course the largest gathering of peoples barely surviving in the most miserable and unhygienic living conditions known to mankind aka India is best ignored. It generally is of no value to the humanity other than the secondary fiddler status the zionists have assigned it, and they too have realized the folly of their perception of that large garbage dump and feces.

The Arab ruling families have been coerced into it that is why none of them dare openly say anything positive about that racist evil demonic entity.

Turkiye has diplomatic relations with the racist entity because Turkiye is a major part of NATO and Turkiye decided to do so during the secular dictatorship days, otherwise an average Turk hates the racist zionist as much as they despise a Hindutvati.

The racist evil zionists have no support among the general Western public. The Christian masses have always had a deep hatred for the Jews and they have tried on countless times to either eradicate them or kick them out of Europe all together. Up until the Holocaust happened, the annual Christian tradition on the Easter used to be beating of a random Jewish man to near death.

The Jews have survived ONLY because the Muslims gave them refuge. Even the Americans turned their boats back at the beginning of the WW2.

The Criminal Israelis have only been able to gather any support for their racist evil demonic regime using blackmail and coercion from recording powerful people in compromised situations. JUST recently the American public found out that the charity scam KarsForKids was a scam to just steal more money from the good natured people of America, just like the Indian scammers have been doing for the last 20 years once they were given internet access.
 
Strange that my latest post was deleted despite it purely containing historical facts. Why was that? It did not break any forum rules. It dealt with purely historical facts.

It is a factual statement that Arabians from Arabia (KSA in particular) have influenced Iran and Iranains tremendously for the past 1400 years. Linguistically (10.000's of Farsi words are Arabic in origin), religiously, culturally, ethnically and in many other spheres. For more than half of the recorded history of Persians/Iranians this has been the case.

It is a fact that millions of Iranians are Iranian Arabs and many more Iranians have Arab ancestry. Most of their surnames and names are in fact of Arabic origin. Their current alphabet and the one that they have used for almost 1400 years, is a copy of the Arabic alphabet with just 3 new additions. Almost 500 years of direct and indirect Arabian rule. Numerous famous Iranian cities founded by Arabs. Most visited areas of Iran are shrines of dead Hejazi Arabs from modern-day KSA. For instance Mashhad (an Arabic name as well). Qom another.

It is also a fact that the greatest Persian scholars in Islam wrote most of their works in Arabic (lingua franca of the Islamic world back then).

It is also a historical fact that, when Persians first appeared in history some 2500 years ago (the first to record them were fellow Semites as well), they were likewise heavily influenced by us. They copied the language (Aramaic - closely related to Arabic), the Aramaic alphabet, Semitic (Mesopotamian etc.) architecture, science, high culture, their 2 non-Islamic symbols were/are direct copies of ancient Semitic symbols (Lion and the Sun), their title (Kings of Kings is an ancient Semitic title used by rulers in ancient Arabia, Mesopotamia, Levant, Egypt).

It is also a fact that KSA and Iran used to have cordial ties prior to 1979. It is also a fact that to this day, the Iranian regime and its elites, used Arab lands (small GCC states - UAE in particular) as their main economic trade hubs, sanction busting hub etc. It is also a fact that the largest Iranian diaspora was/is based in the GCC.

Just like it is a fact that South Iran (Persian heartland) and Eastern Arabia have had millennia old trade and cultural ties.

It is also a fact that the Iranian regime has acted hostile against KSA since 1979 and supported groups/militias that have actively targeted KSA with 1000's of missiles and drones.

It is also a fact (I posted the video in my post that was removed for no reason whatsoever) that the dead Khamenei and Khomeini (the two Black turbans proudly claiming paternal Hejazi/Arabian ancestry) openly said that they can forgive the Americans and Zionists but they will never forget the imaginary "Wahhabis".

It is also a fact that the few Shia Arabs who support the Iranian regime, if they had just 10% of the knowledge of the Iranian regime, their actions and ideology since 1979, that I have, they would have zero supporters.

Of course the largest gathering of peoples barely surviving in the most miserable and unhygienic living conditions known to mankind aka India is best ignored. It generally is of no value to the humanity other than the secondary fiddler status the zionists have assigned it, and they too have realized the folly of their perception of that large garbage dump and feces.

The Arab ruling families have been coerced into it that is why none of them dare openly say anything positive about that racist evil demonic entity.

Turkiye has diplomatic relations with the racist entity because Turkiye is a major part of NATO and Turkiye decided to do so during the secular dictatorship days, otherwise an average Turk hates the racist zionist as much as they despise a Hindutvati.

The racist evil zionists have no support among the general Western public. The Christian masses have always had a deep hatred for the Jews and they have tried on countless times to either eradicate them or kick them out of Europe all together. Up until the Holocaust happened, the annual Christian tradition on the Easter used to be beating of a random Jewish man to near death.

The Jews have survived ONLY because the Muslims gave them refuge. Even the Americans turned their boats back at the beginning of the WW2.

The Criminal Israelis have only been able to gather any support for their racist evil demonic regime using blackmail and coercion from recording powerful people in compromised situations. JUST recently the American public found out that the charity scam KarsForKids was a scam to just steal more money from the good natured people of America, just like the Indian scammers have been doing for the last 20 years once they were given internet access.
2/3 of all Israelis Jews are Arab Jews (Arab Jewish refugees that mostly left out of their free will - they were not kicked out contrary to Zionist propaganda) from Arab countries such as Yemen, Iraq, Morocco, Egypt etc. Even many of the so-called Yemeni Israeli Jews are from modern-day Southern KSA.

Jews (real ones) historically flourished the most under Arab rule and protection in the Arab world and Al-Andalus where historically the greatest Jewish thinkers and scholars in the pre-modern era lived and flourished. Contrary to what they experienced in Europe and elsewhere.

The local Palestinian Arabs are also genetically a mixture of Arabians/Arabs and fellow Semitic ancient Canaanites/Israelites. They are ironically more "Jewish" (as in ethnicity) than European/non-Arab Jews. Whether they themselves or Israelis like it, lol.

Jewish/Zionist impunity in the region is not going to continue for much longer. The tide is already turning.
 
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Strange that my latest post was deleted despite it purely containing historical facts. Why was that? It did not break any forum rules. It dealt with purely historical facts.

It is a factual statement that Arabians from Arabia (KSA in particular) have influenced Iran and Iranains tremendously for the past 1400 years. Linguistically (10.000's of Farsi words are Arabic in origin), religiously, culturally, ethnically and in many other spheres. For more than half of the recorded history of Persians/Iranians this has been the case.

It is a fact that millions of Iranians are Iranian Arabs and many more Iranians have Arab ancestry. Most of their surnames and names are in fact of Arabic origin. Their current alphabet and the one that they have used for almost 1400 years, is a copy of the Arabic alphabet with just 3 new additions. Almost 500 years of direct and indirect Arabian rule. Numerous famous Iranian cities founded by Arabs. Most visited areas of Iran are shrines of dead Hejazi Arabs from modern-day KSA. For instance Mashhad (an Arabic name as well). Qom another.

It is also a fact that the greatest Persian scholars in Islam wrote most of their works in Arabic (lingua franca of the Islamic world back then).

It is also a historical fact that, when Persians first appeared in history some 2500 years ago (the first to record them were fellow Semites as well), they were likewise heavily influenced by us. They copied the language (Aramaic - closely related to Arabic), the Aramaic alphabet, Semitic (Mesopotamian etc.) architecture, science, high culture, their 2 non-Islamic symbols were/are direct copies of ancient Semitic symbols (Lion and the Sun), their title (Kings of Kings is an ancient Semitic title used by rulers in ancient Arabia, Mesopotamia, Levant, Egypt).

It is also a fact that KSA and Iran used to have cordial ties prior to 1979. It is also a fact that to this day, the Iranian regime and its elites, used Arab lands (small GCC states - UAE in particular) as their main economic trade hubs, sanction busting hub etc. It is also a fact that the largest Iranian diaspora was/is based in the GCC.

Just like it is a fact that South Iran (Persian heartland) and Eastern Arabia have had millennia old trade and cultural ties.

It is also a fact that the Iranian regime has acted hostile against KSA since 1979 and supported groups/militias that have actively targeted KSA with 1000's of missiles and drones.

It is also a fact (I posted the video in my post that was removed for no reason whatsoever) that the dead Khamenei and Khomeini (the two Black turbans proudly claiming paternal Hejazi/Arabian ancestry) openly said that they can forgive the Americans and Zionists but they will never forget the imaginary "Wahhabis".

It is also a fact that the few Shia Arabs who support the Iranian regime, if they had just 10% of the knowledge of the Iranian regime, their actions and ideology since 1979, that I have, they would have zero supporters.


2/3 of all Israelis Jews are Arab Jews (Arab Jewish refugees that mostly left out of their free will - they were not kicked out contrary to Zionist propaganda) from Arab countries such as Yemen, Iraq, Morocco, Egypt etc. Even many of the so-called Yemeni Israeli Jews are from modern-day Southern KSA.

Jews (real ones) historically flourished the most under Arab rule and protection in the Arab world and Al-Andalus where historically the greatest Jewish thinkers and scholars in the pre-modern era lived and flourished. Contrary to what they experienced in Europe and elsewhere.

The local Palestinian Arabs are also genetically a mixture of Arabians/Arabs and fellow Semitic ancient Canaanites/Israelites. They are ironically more "Jewish" (as in ethnicity) than European/non-Arab Jews. Whether they themselves or Israelis like it, lol.

Jewish/Zionist impunity in the region is not going to continue for much longer. The tide is already turning.
Remembering historical facts without knowing the causes behind those facts leads to misleading conclusions...... middle east was the first stop out of Africa so it's natural that many initial inventions , philosophy , constructs etc. etc. would have taken place there.....that doesn't make you genetically , physically or intellectually superior.....lazy ones stayed in the middle east , more adventurous one went on exploring and expanded...they left you in the dust and excelled in every field....all you are left with is the bragging rights on some primitive discoveries and half baked intellectual constructs ...you just got lucky and found fossil fuels , thanks to white man , and started looking down upon others...stop bragging about yourselves , at best you are physically average looking and intellectually subpar ...I don't see anything special in you...I am not fond of Iranians however I find their woman much more attractive.
 
Remembering historical facts without knowing the causes behind those facts leads to misleading conclusions...... middle east was the first stop out of Africa so it's natural that many initial inventions , philosophy , constructs etc. etc. would have taken place there.....that doesn't make you genetically , physically or intellectually superior.....lazy ones stayed in the middle east , more adventurous one went on exploring and expanded...they left you in the dust and excelled in every field....all you are left with is the bragging rights on some primitive discoveries and half baked intellectual constructs ...you just got lucky and found fossil fuels , thanks to white man , and started looking down upon others...stop bragging about yourselves , at best you are physically average looking and intellectually subpar ...I don't see anything special in you...I am not fond of Iranians however I find their woman much more attractive.

Not sure what my historical facts have anything to do with your rambling there? As far as I am aware I never wrote that anybody (as in people) were special or the opposite. This is your own imagination.

The Arab world is the cradle of civilization (in other words home to the oldest and most influential documented civilizations and cultures), now that you mention the topic, I did never mention it here, and for most of recorded history, it was the most developed region of the planet. This was actually the case not that far ago. 750 years ago, Baghdad, was the largest and most developed city until the Mongols destroyed it. 750 years is barely 20-25 generations.

Anyway I believe that we already discussed this topic. I wrote a post covering historical facts, modern-day DNA etc. in this post (511) in this thread below. You never replied.


500 years ago, Arabic was a lingua franca of science, mathematics, astronomy, chemistry in much of Europe and was even tought at European universities in the Middle Ages. Al-Andalus flourished until then.

Yes, the Europeans took over the helm in the past 500 years and have dominated the world mostly in most fields since then. Nobody has ever denied this, certainly not me.

That is because you have no idea about Arab/Arabian women. We have far greater diversity and beauty IMO. More beautiful famous features such as big almond eyes, beautiful aquiline noses (there is a reason why Iranians have the largest amount of nose jobs in the world), beautiful skin and hair etc. Well-known stereotypes for a reason. Some of the most desired women too - just take a look at the search statistics across the world on certain sites. There were articles of this and the "fetish" in Western media for many years that also travelled to the Arab world.

I have not seen a single large ethnic/racial group say anything else than Arab women (in general) being very attractive. Same with Latinas - which ironically millions of them have Arab ancestry seeing that we Arabs are one of the largest ethnic groups in Latin America.

Those are not Arab searches but mostly 99% non-Arabs. Also, in case you do not know this, there are millions of Arabs in Iran and you will hardly find a single Iranian nowadays without a degree of Arab ancestry somewhere down the line. Even mathematically/statistically this is certain as well. Same way that almost all Europeans alone are related to one historical figure (Charlemagne) that lived just 1200 years ago (some 35-40 generations ago).

Anyway, back to topic.
 
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Not sure what my historical facts have anything to do with your rambling there? As far as I am aware I never wrote that anybody (as in people) were special or the opposite. This is your own imagination.

The Arab world is the cradle of civilization, now that you mention the topic, I did never mention it here, and for most of recorded history, it was the most developed region of the planet. This was actually the case not that far ago. 750 years ago, Baghdad, was the largest and most developed city until the Mongols destroyed it. 750 years is barely 20-25 generations.

500 years ago, Arabic was a lingua franca of science, mathematics, astronomy, chemistry in much of Europe and was even tought at European universities in the Middle Ages. Al-Andalus flourished until then.

Yes, the Europeans took over the helm in the past 500 years and have dominated the world mostly in most fields since then. Nobody has ever denied this, certainly not me.

That is because you have no idea about Arab/Arabian women. We have far greater diversity and beauty IMO. More beautiful famous features such as big almond eyes, beautiful aquiline noses (there is a reason why Iranians have the largest amount of nose jobs in the world), beautiful skin and hair etc. Well-known stereotypes for a reason. Some of the most desired women too - just take a look at the search statistics across the world on certain sites. There were articles of this and the "fetish" in Western media for many years that also travelled to the Arab world. Those are not Arab searches but mostly 99% non-Arabs. Also, in case you do not know this, there are millions of Arabs in Iran and you will hardly find a single Iranian nowadays without a degree of Arab ancestry somewhere down the line. Even mathematically/statistically this is certain as well. Same way that almost all Europeans alone are related to one historical figure (Charlemagne) that lived just 1200 years ago (some 35-40 generations ago).

Anyway, back to topic.
Essence of every post of yours is to prove how special you are... don't play innocent now.... Cradle of civilization was Egypt and it was not Arab... your latter success was a one hit wonder , thanks to Persian and Greeks screwing eachother to death...you got screwed by those Mongolian herdsmen who came from far afar and destroyed Baghdad.... again it were Turks who saved middle east and Islam from being overwhelmed by the Europeans .... enjoy your newfound wealth without getting cocky .
 
Essence of every post of yours is to prove how special you are... don't play innocent now.... Cradle of civilization was Egypt and it was not Arab... your latter success was a one hit wonder , thanks to Persian and Greeks screwing eachother to death...you got screwed by those Mongolian herdsmen who came from far afar and destroyed Baghdad.... again it were Turks who saved middle east and Islam from being overwhelmed by the Europeans .... enjoy your newfound wealth and don't without getting cocky .
Learn the difference between one linguistic/ethnicity within the same racial/ethnic group (Semites vs Arabs). Also it does not matter what the ancient Egyptians where or what they called themselves. The reality is that Saudi Arabian and Egyptian DNA is very close. Both ancient as well as modern. 100's of DNA tests have already confirmed that.

As is the DNA among all Arabs. You know the secret of this phenomenon? Because we are racially the same people overall. Caucasian West Asians. Same racially, linguistically (Semitic) and various mixtures of ancient Semitic peoples and other non-Semitic peoples native and not native to the Arab world.

In fact all humans, as a whole, are mostly the same to begin with genetically. With very few superficial differences. Mostly due to climatic conditions and small genetic mutations.

And no, civilizations in what is Southern Iraq (Northern Arabia) are deemed to be older. Sumer. And the inhabitants of that (Marsh Arabs) are almost (genetically) indistinguishable from Saudi Arabians.

More nonsense.

Once again, the Arab world is home to the oldest civilizations and cultures on the planet (recorded), whether you, I or anyone else likes it. KSA alone is home to numerous ancient civilizations and cultures (Al-Magar, Dilmun, Natufians - world's first Neolithic culture) that far predate anything found in Iran and Greece (both of them are newcomers compared to what is found in the Arab world which EVERY single historian will tell you).

The Mongols ravaged Iran, Turkey, Central Asia, Pakistan, South Asia 100 times more than the Arab world. The Mongols were ultimately also defeated in the Arab world later to be turned into Muslims and Arabized to a great extent. Like many others.
 
I would love to see some data that supports your statements above, thanks.
KSA alone (1 single Arab country) has more natural wealth than every single country on the planet not named 7.5 times larger Russia (by far largest country on the planet) and 4 times larger USA.


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Much of KSA (especially Hejaz and our western part of the country) is home to some of the world's largest not yet fully explored mineral wealth fields.

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Saudi Arabian oil is of the finest quality in the world and the cheapest to extract as well.

Compare KSA's natural wealth and our population ratio with that of USA and Russia.

The GCC alone also has the world's largest sovereign wealth funds (by far - only China and Norway are close) worth around 6-7 TRILLION USD as well as massive investments in almost every sector across the world from China to the West to practically all corners of the Muslim world.

In the case of KSA, within the span of just 8 years, we have developed one of the largest tourism sectors on the planet from scratch. With Hajj and Umrah numbers (alone) not even reaching 10% of the potential annual numbers, if geography was not a great barrier to reaching the full potential - Makkah and Madinah etc. can only accommodate so many people at once like every other place on earth.
 
the world is lowering its dependence on hydrocarbons day by day. as far as attacking Gulf states, it is fool's errand.

the last guy who attempted it was by a guy named Saddam Hussein who is dead. Iran's leaders are not stupid to follow in his footsteps
Wes been hearing this for the last fitty odd years. Yet when Iran choked your chickunn, you colluddzz boys in India started dropping like flies.

Iran cuts off your oil n gas/ fertilizer/ condensates and lubricants......yous dead in da water jaggu-naythunn.

Suar de maut murrna hae tu nay phir.
 

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