Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Interesting he appears to sign the documents which is in Farsi.

The document was drawn up in both English and Persian. Both versions were signed by the parties.

 

[Yasser76]

Iran's fleet is too old. We need to buy new airplanes but I doubt it would happen anytime soon.


Iran Air used to be the world's leading airline in the 70s. Even in early 2000s, Iran Air was still a pretty decent air line.

Yeah, for sure Iran's economy and disaspora can fuel a decent national airline but I really think Iran Air can become more then a Persian version of Air India or PIA. Look at Turkish Airlines 20 years ago and look at them now?

Again, much will depend on funding getting good global managerial talent, developing Tehran as a stopover location and how flexible the government will be when it comes to catering for westerners lifestyles. Emirates and all the big 3 GCC did this very well as did Turkish Airlines. Tehran is also located perfectly half way between Europe and Asia, more so even then Dubai I would argue.

 

[VCheng]

That’s the only extra gain of this war for US compared to Obama accord!!?

Just allow some time over the next 60 days to see what exact mechanisms are put in place before dismissing them so blithely. There is much more to come in this regard.

 

[Yasser76]

Just allow some time over the next 60 days to see what exact mechanisms are put in place before dismissing them so blithely. There is much more to come in this regard.

One can literally say that about anything in life.

 

[Master Chief]

During the Summit, there was also a very special guest for Donald sahib. I've never seen Modi so happy! Rumours abound that Trump may pop the question soon..

 

[VCheng]

One can literally say that about anything in life.

That would be a different thread, Sir.

The next 60 days are important to agree upon the exact details that will show how the MoU just signed will actually be implemented.

Trying to decide who won or not is still quite premature. The rush to judgement is merely juvenile, given that the framework presents only the outline, and not the whole picture as of yet.

Please refer to one of my previous posts to see some examples detailing the important clarifications that are still needed.

 

[Yasser76]

That would be a different thread, Sir.

The next 60 days are important to agree upon the exact details that will show how the MoU just signed will actually be implemented.

Trying to decide who won or not is still quite premature. The rush to judgement is merely juvenile, given that the framework presents only the outline, and not the whole picture as of yet.

Please refer to one of my previous posts to see some examples detailing the important clarifications that are still needed.

One cannot predict the future, one can comment on the present, and in that sense, this seems like a overwhelming victory for Iran

Israel and the US, the most powerful nation on earth, decided to attack Iran and topple the government. 3 months later they are signing a document that leaves Iran strategically, economically, diplomatically and geopoltically better off.

 

[FUB]

 

[Persian Gulf]

At 00:00 Eastern time, U.S. sanctions on Iranian oil, gas, and petrochemical products will be lifted

 

[FUB]

 

[ShapurII]

Yeah, for sure Iran's economy and disaspora can fuel a decent national airline but I really think Iran Air can become more then a Persian version of Air India or PIA. Look at Turkish Airlines 20 years ago and look at them now?

Again, much will depend on funding getting good global managerial talent, developing Tehran as a stopover location and how flexible the government will be when it comes to catering for westerners lifestyles. Emirates and all the big 3 GCC did this very well as did Turkish Airlines. Tehran is also located perfectly half way between Europe and Asia, more so even then Dubai I would argue.

Iran Air wasn't a Persian version of Air India or PIA in the 70s. It was possibly the world's best air line. It was more like the Emirates or the Qatar Airways of its time.

Iran Air was the first air line in the world to fly non-stop from Tehran to New York City, a distance of 9,867km in 12 hours, in early 70s. That era will never happen again though.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I'm surprised that you don't see it. The US is using our own oil to fill the world's strategic reserves in case that they want to attack Iran again in the future.
The US also issued sanction waivers for purchasing our oil during the war. How is this any different?

Didn't Scott Bessent say that the US was using our own oil against our blockade of the Strait of Hormuz? How is this different now?


What framework? No sanctions will be lifted before the final deal. Iran is still not connected to the SWIFT banking system.

That is not an honest comparison. That was a short waiver for ships already on the sea to China, this is a global waiver for all oil and petrochemical exports including logistics and banking services.

I’m not sure what more you think Iran could have achieved in a temporary MOU with no irreversible concessions given.

Considering we could only fire 10-20 missiles per day at Israel with 1-2 material impacts per day and <1 killed Israeli per day on average, this MOU is a miracle

Yes we had some leverage with the Strait but we should not over play our cards. The leadership is best placed to assess our economic and military position and the merits of any further fighting and they clearly determined the MOU was in our interests

 

[Persian Gulf]

I agree. This "memorandum of understanding" is just an extended ceasefire for countries to refill their strategic oil reserves to prevent an economic crash when the next round of war happens.


The MoU is not a framework. Nothing is final there. Everything has been left open to interpretation so far. Even the $300 billion that is cited very often has been left wide open to interpretation. Nothing of significance has been agreed upon, except for meeting again to finalize a deal in 60 days. Even that is not certain because the parties of this MoU can extend this 60 day period mutually.

Per Trump's own words: "No, it's not final. It's a memorandum of understanding. And if I don't like it, we will go back to shooting at them, dropping bombs on their head".


Nope, not incorrect. The waiver allows other countries to buy our oil, but the money will not be transferred to Iran, or be sent to Iran as cash. It will be used as credit lines to import goods. So, nope. Nothing has changed. We already had such an arrangement with the Chinese.


And this proves my point.

Ghalibaf talked about credit lines using the frozen assets, not the oil sales, you are conflating topics

 

[ShapurII]

That is not an honest comparison. That was a short waiver for ships already on the sea to China, this is a global waiver for all oil and petrochemical exports including logistics and banking services.

I’m not sure what more you think could have achieved in a temporary MOU with no irreversible concessions given.

I don't see any difference. The point is that it helps Trump achieve what it wants: stability in the energy market. Have you checked oil prices lately? Oil is falling below $70 per barrel. It's $75 per barrel as we speak. Soon oil will return to $65 per barrel and countries will fill their strategic reserves with cheap oil and prepare for the next round. Don't you think that's possible?

I expected Iran to receive some cash, as promised to us. Wasn't it promised to us? I remember people cited numbers like $24 billion and $12 billion quite regularly.

Ghalibaf talked about credit lines using the frozen assets, not the oil sales, you are conflating topics

Ghalibaf didn't really specify that. It is a claim by you. If you think our oil sales will be treated differently, you need to back it up. Don't you think so?

 

[TAC]

Just allow some time over the next 60 days to see what exact mechanisms are put in place before dismissing them so blithely. There is much more to come in this regard.

Mechanisms to achieve what?? At best same as what you already had with Obama Accord??