Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

FUB said:
IRAN HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF.
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Coming to the defense of his President now that some opportunist Democratic Congressmen are criticizing the agreement on a war the Dems were opposing.
Politicians!
 
Arash said:
Forget French média. You look once at the president and its fucked up administration then you know there's nothing serious to hope for there........
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Unlike you, I feel much better now that I've given up all hope.
 
ShapurII said:
What a stupid post.

@AZ_HighCountry's post did backup my claim that Iran Air was comparable to world's leading air lines like Pan Am at the time. That was my claim, his post backed it up.

Your post however did not backup his claims that PIA was way ahead of Iran Air in any meaningful way. See the difference, grandpa? Or you're still too stupid to get it, asshole?

Iran Air has been under sanctions for 45 years since the hostage crisis. Cannot say the same about PIA.
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I never argued if PIA was or was not ahead of Iran Air. The small peepee syndrome is getting to you.
 
Meengla said:
Coming to the defense of his President now that some opportunist Democratic Congressmen are criticizing the agreement on a war the Dems were opposing.
Politicians!
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You would expect anything different?

At least the Democrats have bipartisanship this time. A number of Republicans are criticizing it as well.

All of them need to stay in their lanes.
 
Alright kids, let's gather 'round. Grandpa AZ has something to share.

I tried to be neutral in how the following question was asked of ChatGPT:

In the 1970s, how did Iran Air compare with Pakistan International airlines in terms of service, quality, and reliability?

A reasonably fair and neutral question, right?

Answer:

In the 1970s, both Iran Air and Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) were considered strong, internationally competitive flag carriers, but they had different strengths and slightly different global reputations.
A good way to compare them is across service, comfort, and reliability in that era.

✈️ 1. Overall global standing (1970s context)​

Iran Air​

  • Rapidly rising “modernization success story”
  • Often described as one of the fastest-growing and best-managed airlines globally in the 1970s
  • By the mid–late 1970s:
    • Among the safest airlines in the world (top tier alongside Qantas)
    • Highly profitable and professionally run

PIA​

  • Already a prestige carrier in the 1960s and early 1970s
  • Known as an innovator in passenger service
    • Early adopter of long-haul jets and widebodies
    • Strong international presence (Europe, North America, Asia)
  • Reputation peaked slightly earlier than Iran Air’s “golden era”

🧭 2. Reliability (punctuality, safety, operational consistency)​

Iran Air (stronger in the late 1970s)​

  • Extremely strong safety record (among the best globally)
  • Highly centralized, professionally managed under Ali-Mohammad Khademi
  • Considered very reliable operationally for long-haul routes
  • Ranked near the top globally in safety metrics of the era

PIA (strong but more variable)​

  • Also had a solid safety and operational record in the 1970s
  • Known for pioneering long-haul operations (e.g., early 747 use, long-range routes)
  • However:
    • More exposure to political and organizational fluctuations
    • Slightly less consistent operational discipline compared with Iran Air’s peak-era management style
Verdict (reliability):
  • Slight edge → Iran Air (late 1970s)
  • But both were well above global average

💺 3. Service quality (cabin experience, hospitality, consistency)​

PIA (generally stronger in “passenger experience” reputation)​

PIA in its peak era was famous for:
  • Strong hospitality culture
  • Early innovations in passenger service (often credited with pioneering in-flight entertainment concepts in the region)
  • A “friendly, warm” service reputation that stood out internationally

Iran Air​

  • More formal, standardized service style
  • High-quality catering (especially Persian cuisine on international routes)
  • But less globally known for “luxury service personality”
  • Crew professionalism high, but not as “iconic” as Gulf-style hospitality that came later
Verdict (service):
  • Slight edge → PIA
  • Iran Air = more formal excellence
  • PIA = more memorable hospitality experience

🛋️ 4. Comfort and fleet quality​

Iran Air (late 1970s advantage in modernization)​

  • Very modern fleet for the time:
    • Boeing 747 variants
    • Airbus A300 (introduced late 1970s)
    • Long-haul nonstop capability (e.g., Tehran–New York)
  • Designed as a hub-style global connector airline

PIA​

  • Also modern and prestigious:
    • Early Boeing 747 operator
    • DC-10 and widebody long-haul capability
  • Strong long-range network for its size
Verdict (comfort/fleet):
  • Slight edge → Iran Air (late 1970s modernization wave)
  • But both were top-tier globally at the time

📊 5. Direct comparison summary​

CategoryIran Air (1970s)PIA (1970s)
Safety / reliability⭐ Very high (top global tier)High
Operational consistencyStrong, highly structuredStrong but more variable
Passenger serviceFormal, high qualityMore personable, highly regarded
Fleet modernity (late 70s)Very strong (A300, 747SP, etc.)Strong (747, DC-10)
Global reputation peakLate 1970sEarly–mid 1970s

🧠 Final takeaway​

In the 1970s:
  • Iran Air = more professionally run, highly reliable, and rapidly modernizing toward global hub-carrier status
  • PIA = more service-oriented, innovative in passenger experience, and already globally respected earlier in the decade

Simple way to remember it:​

  • Iran Air = operational excellence + rapid modernization
  • PIA = hospitality + early global prestige + innovation in passenger experience
 
ShapurII said:
That was his claim. He said PIA was ahead of Iran Air and therefore, Iran Air could not have been comparable to leading air lines in 70s. It was his idea to come up with that comparison, and then his argument was refuted by @AZ_HighCountry.

Apparently, besides having a small peepee which is possibly the cause of your self-projection, you also have a small brain as well.
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Dude you are being trolled. Stop taking the bait.
 
ShapurII said:
and then his argument was refuted by @AZ_HighCountry.
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Yeah, no it wasn't.

ShapurII said:
Apparently, besides having a small peepee which is possibly the cause of your self-projection, you also have a small brain as well.
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Spectacular come back. "No, you".

AZ_HighCountry said:
Alright kids, let's gather 'round. Grandpa AZ has something to share.

I tried to be neutral in how the following question was asked of ChatGPT:

In the 1970s, how did Iran Air compare with Pakistan International airlines in terms of service, quality, and reliability?

A reasonably fair and neutral question, right?

Answer:

In the 1970s, both Iran Air and Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) were considered strong, internationally competitive flag carriers, but they had different strengths and slightly different global reputations.
A good way to compare them is across service, comfort, and reliability in that era.

✈️ 1. Overall global standing (1970s context)​

Iran Air​

  • Rapidly rising “modernization success story”
  • Often described as one of the fastest-growing and best-managed airlines globally in the 1970s
  • By the mid–late 1970s:
    • Among the safest airlines in the world (top tier alongside Qantas)
    • Highly profitable and professionally run

PIA​

  • Already a prestige carrier in the 1960s and early 1970s
  • Known as an innovator in passenger service
    • Early adopter of long-haul jets and widebodies
    • Strong international presence (Europe, North America, Asia)
  • Reputation peaked slightly earlier than Iran Air’s “golden era”

🧭 2. Reliability (punctuality, safety, operational consistency)​

Iran Air (stronger in the late 1970s)​

  • Extremely strong safety record (among the best globally)
  • Highly centralized, professionally managed under Ali-Mohammad Khademi
  • Considered very reliable operationally for long-haul routes
  • Ranked near the top globally in safety metrics of the era

PIA (strong but more variable)​

  • Also had a solid safety and operational record in the 1970s
  • Known for pioneering long-haul operations (e.g., early 747 use, long-range routes)
  • However:
    • More exposure to political and organizational fluctuations
    • Slightly less consistent operational discipline compared with Iran Air’s peak-era management style
Verdict (reliability):
  • Slight edge → Iran Air (late 1970s)
  • But both were well above global average

💺 3. Service quality (cabin experience, hospitality, consistency)​

PIA (generally stronger in “passenger experience” reputation)​

PIA in its peak era was famous for:

  • Strong hospitality culture
  • Early innovations in passenger service (often credited with pioneering in-flight entertainment concepts in the region)
  • A “friendly, warm” service reputation that stood out internationally

Iran Air​

  • More formal, standardized service style
  • High-quality catering (especially Persian cuisine on international routes)
  • But less globally known for “luxury service personality”
  • Crew professionalism high, but not as “iconic” as Gulf-style hospitality that came later
Verdict (service):

  • Slight edge → PIA
  • Iran Air = more formal excellence
  • PIA = more memorable hospitality experience

🛋️ 4. Comfort and fleet quality​

Iran Air (late 1970s advantage in modernization)​

  • Very modern fleet for the time:
    • Boeing 747 variants
    • Airbus A300 (introduced late 1970s)
    • Long-haul nonstop capability (e.g., Tehran–New York)
  • Designed as a hub-style global connector airline

PIA​

  • Also modern and prestigious:
    • Early Boeing 747 operator
    • DC-10 and widebody long-haul capability
  • Strong long-range network for its size
Verdict (comfort/fleet):

  • Slight edge → Iran Air (late 1970s modernization wave)
  • But both were top-tier globally at the time

📊 5. Direct comparison summary​

CategoryIran Air (1970s)PIA (1970s)
Safety / reliability⭐ Very high (top global tier)High
Operational consistencyStrong, highly structuredStrong but more variable
Passenger serviceFormal, high qualityMore personable, highly regarded
Fleet modernity (late 70s)Very strong (A300, 747SP, etc.)Strong (747, DC-10)
Global reputation peakLate 1970sEarly–mid 1970s

🧠 Final takeaway​

In the 1970s:

  • Iran Air = more professionally run, highly reliable, and rapidly modernizing toward global hub-carrier status
  • PIA = more service-oriented, innovative in passenger experience, and already globally respected earlier in the decade

Simple way to remember it:​

  • Iran Air = operational excellence + rapid modernization
  • PIA = hospitality + early global prestige + innovation in passenger experience
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You fell for it.
 
FUB said:
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Good grief. Once mighty Republican party that prized independence and principles has been reduced to a bunch of lemmings. To hear this from a Republican Senator!

OTOH knowing these GOP creeps this guy could be auditioning for a job in the Trump admin or even as Mr Vance's VP for 2028. I hear Sec of War and CIA director could be shown the door soon.
 
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When you stop listening to the whispers of Shetanyahu, common sense prevails logically.
 
This Zionist has been one of the major proponents of the Ukraine-Russia war and as expected was fully behind this foolish adventure as well. To hear these words from their mouths :D

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