Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[KingQamaR]

Bomb out what is on ground, get in deal what is underground and return the assets that were their own in first place.

Trump played Iran big time.

Brother, This is dumbest administration in the history of there country . You give them to much credit.

 

[VCheng]

No more marines in Dubai.

As I pointed out earlier, that would depend on how "proximity" is defined in last sentence of Paragraph 4.

 

[Immortals]

Right. I don't understand his negativism. I interacted with him a few weeks ago where he was confidently projecting the Iranian economy imploding because of the Blockade and thus a revolt against the current regime in Iran. He gave a timeline of 'a few weeks' and then said 'a few months'. I didn't agree with him given how many other trade routes were open for Iran, including the new 6 trade channels from Pakistan. Plus Iranians are a very resilient people.
I guess one maybe forgiven for negativity given the stress this war has caused on the Iranians.

• 100B+ of Iranian frozen funds unlocking
• Oil and energy selling free of sanctions on day 1 to ANY country not just China.
• 300B reconstruction fund for companies and countries to invest in projects inside Iran
• Fees on ships bringing in another $10B a year
• Possible small scale enrichment capability
• UN Security Council endorsement
• Missile and proxy not for discussion

I mean the deal still needs to be signed and the fine print read, but if this happens hard to see how Iran could have gotten a better deal.

It seems Mojtaba and Qalibaf want to focus on rebuilding the economy and reconnecting with the world and deepening ties with China over being a hermit kingdom like North Korea.

That is basically the approach I said Iran should take. Rebuild its economy and military for 10-20 years and just pause nuclear development if there is no appetite for a dash for the bomb (which under Mojtaba doesn’t appear to be).

With a stronger more open economy you will have less corruption, less riots, less spies, and more money to pour in military R&D projects that can make a difference at building deterrence (stronger missiles, Drones, and cruise missiles).

Who knows in 10-20 years America could be severely weak and in state of chaos or decay and then Iran can do whatever it wants with respect to nuclear program.

No one knows what the future can bring.

 

[VCheng]

• 100B+ of Iranian frozen funds unlocking
• Oil and energy selling free of sanctions on day 1 to ANY country not just China.
• 300B reconstruction fund for companies and countries to invest in projects inside Iran
• Fees on ships bringing in another $10B a year
• Possible small scale enrichment capability
• UN Security Council endorsement
• Missile and proxy not for discussion

What is the source claiming these arrangements?

 

[Meengla]

• 100B+ of Iranian frozen funds unlocking
• Oil and energy selling free of sanctions on day 1 to ANY country not just China.
• 300B reconstruction fund for companies and countries to invest in projects inside Iran
• Fees on ships bringing in another $10B a year
• Possible small scale enrichment capability
• UN Security Council endorsement
• Missile and proxy not for discussion

I mean the deal still needs to be signed and the fine print read, but if this happens hard to see how Iran could have gotten a better deal.
It seems Mojtaba and Qalibaf want to focus on rebuilding the economy and reconnecting with the world and deepening ties with China over being a hermit kingdom like North Korea.
That is basically the approach I said Iran should take. Rebuild its economy and military for 10-20 years and just pause nuclear development if there is no appetite for a dash for the bomb (which under Mojtaba doesn’t appear to be).
With a stronger more open economy you will have less corruption, less riots, less spies, and more money to pour in military R&D projects that can make a difference at building deterrence (stronger missiles, Drones, and cruise missiles).
Who knows in 10-20 years America could be severely weak and in state of chaos or decay and then Iran can do whatever it wants with respect to nuclear program.
No one knows what the future can bring.

Great post!
And the overarching factor is: Another frontal war on Iran probably will be even more futile when a replenished Iran faces that.

 

[Watandar]

• 100B+ of Iranian frozen funds unlocking
• Oil and energy selling free of sanctions on day 1 to ANY country not just China.
• 300B reconstruction fund for companies and countries to invest in projects inside Iran
• Fees on ships bringing in another $10B a year
• Possible small scale enrichment capability
• UN Security Council endorsement
• Missile and proxy not for discussion

I mean the deal still needs to be signed and the fine print read, but if this happens hard to see how Iran could have gotten a better deal.

It seems Mojtaba and Qalibaf want to focus on rebuilding the economy and reconnecting with the world and deepening ties with China over being a hermit kingdom like North Korea.

That is basically the approach I said Iran should take. Rebuild its economy and military for 10-20 years and just pause nuclear development if there is no appetite for a dash for the bomb (which under Mojtaba doesn’t appear to be).

With a stronger more open economy you will have less corruption, less riots, less spies, and more money to pour in military R&D projects that can make a difference at building deterrence (stronger missiles, Drones, and cruise missiles).

Who knows in 10-20 years America could be severely weak and in state of chaos or decay and then Iran can do whatever it wants with respect to nuclear program.

No one knows what the future can bring.

This is the right approach, but you will have to tackle Israel and the GCC spoilers along the way. Never forget who encouraged and facilitated America into this war.

 

[KingQamaR]

Pakistan… the country that has worked miracles and has played—and continues to play—roles that the UN Security Council has been unable to fulfill: It is now announcing the completion of the signing of the peace agreement between the United States and Iran.

Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif announced: “The historic Islamabad Agreement between the United States and the Islamic Republic of Iran was signed electronically today. It was signed by the presidents of both countries and ratified by me in my capacity as mediator. The agreement takes effect immediately.” First step: Iran will immediately reopen the Strait of Hormuz, and the United States will immediately lift the naval blockade.

Shehbaz Sharif thanked President Trump for favoring a diplomatic solution and praised the U.S. negotiating team: Vance, Witkov, and Kushner. He also commended the wisdom of the Iranian leadership and extended special thanks to Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt, and Qatar for their contributions, which he described as “indispensable.” He also thanked the Pakistani Army Chief, who played a pivotal role in facilitating this achievement.

The country whose image has been tarnished for decades... is the one forging the peace that the superpowers failed to achieve. The wise capitals that warned against and rejected war are the very ones that led the world to peace.

Lol
It’s like the treaty of Versailles but with the US substituted for Germany. Every paragraph is a win for Iran.

 

[Meengla]

This is the right approach, but you will have to tackle Israel and the GCC spoilers along the way. Never forget who encouraged and facilitated America into this war.

I rely on Trita Parsi's words and when this war began, he said 'most GCC countries' had opposed this war. But they were unable to stop the Americans. Why would the GCC countries risk generational old wealth and peace.
However, UAE and possibly Bahrain need to be carefully monitored.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

As I pointed out earlier, that would depend on how "proximity" is defined in last sentence of Paragraph 4.

Let's put it this way... will it be closer or farther from where they're right now... I mean we're discussing real world here... not something abstract...
Or, why even bother putting it there... but that is where you ant to take it.

 

[GoshtWalaPulao]

The most shocking thing out of this entire conflict is how the indians are trying to spin the peace deal being signed in versailles as a victory for them because it did not happen at the designated spot suggested by Pakistan

 

[Flotilla]

• 100B+ of Iranian frozen funds unlocking
• Oil and energy selling free of sanctions on day 1 to ANY country not just China.
• 300B reconstruction fund for companies and countries to invest in projects inside Iran
• Fees on ships bringing in another $10B a year
• Possible small scale enrichment capability
• UN Security Council endorsement
• Missile and proxy not for discussion

I mean the deal still needs to be signed and the fine print read, but if this happens hard to see how Iran could have gotten a better deal.

It seems Mojtaba and Qalibaf want to focus on rebuilding the economy and reconnecting with the world and deepening ties with China over being a hermit kingdom like North Korea.

That is basically the approach I said Iran should take. Rebuild its economy and military for 10-20 years and just pause nuclear development if there is no appetite for a dash for the bomb (which under Mojtaba doesn’t appear to be).

With a stronger more open economy you will have less corruption, less riots, less spies, and more money to pour in military R&D projects that can make a difference at building deterrence (stronger missiles, Drones, and cruise missiles).

Who knows in 10-20 years America could be severely weak and in state of chaos or decay and then Iran can do whatever it wants with respect to nuclear program.

No one knows what the future can bring.

I agree with you except in the fact that Irán will become a nuclear power de facto.
If they retain the technology of designing and manufacture missiles and they keep the enrichment capability that means that Irán just stop at the nuclear weapons thresold.

On the other hand. I cannot imagine the inmense field ahead of Irán. With the civil engineer expertise and lot of professionals and knowledge of retired people that wants to come back to Irán, the potential of economic grow can reach close to two digits. Let's be just cautious.

 

[VCheng]

Let's put it this way... will it be closer or farther from where they're right now... I mean we're discussing real world here... not something abstract...

Well, the real world still is waiting at least 60 days to see the mechanisms by which the items of the MoU will be actually implemented.

Unlike you with "age old wisdom", I cannot discuss events that have not happened in reality - yet. When they do happen in reality, I may be able to do so. Please be patient until then, thanks.

 

[ShapurII]

If [final] deal is signed, Iran will be buying BIG BEAUTIFUL BOEING jets at a discount from Trump and America as well as from Macaroni & France.

Your always negative attitude is insufferable. While skepticism and cautious optimism is warranted given the lieing and treachours Americans. Your crying the last 10-20 pages of this thread is just unwarranted.

You have been consistently wrong this entire year. Including thinking Reza Pahlavi was the only “viable” option left for months (LOL!)

Please take a retreat and clear your mind and come back with a more positive [and realistic] Attitude.

"IF" the final deal is signed. That's a big if.

On the contrary, I think I have been consistently right every time. I said the US-Iran situation would enter a cycle of war + economic pressure until Iran implodes and that's the situation we are in at the moment. It hasn't ended yet for me to be proven wrong. I said the US would impose a blockade on Iran in response to our Strait of Hormuz blockade, and it did happen.

If you want to fall for the same "Trump is angry with Netanyahu" nonsense for the third time in the last 18 months, and you think Trump has genuinely submitted to the great might of the IRGC, then be my guest. But I think it's bullshit. Trump and Netanyahu are in the same team. There is no way that the US would sign something that goes against the fundamental interests of Israel.

If any of these things happen in the final agreement, I will leave PDF for good. Not all of them, but any of them:
1. The US gives Iran a penny of that $300 billion reconstruction plan.
2. The US lifts UNSC sanctions, US primary and secondary sanctions on Iran.
3. Iran receives a toll from the Strait of Hormuz.

However, if none of these things happened, or a final deal was not reached and the US attacked Iran again, I'll expect you to be quiet after that. Deal?

 

[Flotilla]

As I pointed out earlier, that would depend on how "proximity" is defined in last sentence of Paragraph 4.

Even if It just some warships or fighters, the retreat of any conventional force It is a NET INCOME compared by JCPOA.

US made Great Obama.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Well, the real world still is waiting at least 60 days to see the mechanisms by which the items of the MoU will be actually implemented.

Unlike you with "age old wisdom", I cannot discuss events that have not happened in reality - yet. When they do happen in reality, I may be able to do so. Please be patient until then, thanks.

No VC "wait and see" heng!

Not 60... one who who keeps harping needs to be spoon fed also... is it because you can't see... perhaps you can wait.

It is within 30 days...

Here's the clause 4
"Immediately upon the signing of this MOU, the United States of America will begin the removal of its naval blockade and any disturbances or impediments against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and will fully end the naval blockade within 30 days. During this period, the traffic of vessels will be in proportion to the numbers of pre-war traffic being restored by the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States of America further undertakes to remove its forces from the proximity of the Islamic Republic of Iran within 30 days after the final deal."

and guess what the naval blockade from US side is already lifted... the rest per the same should manifest if it is to abide by the terms.

Now you should change your stance to... US won't do it... at least then your position will be clear. The forces will start leaving within 30 days thereafter the conclusion of final deal.