Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[VCheng]

Let's put it this way... will it be closer or farther from where they're right now... I mean we're discussing real world here... not something abstract...

Well, the real world still is waiting at least 60 days to see the mechanisms by which the items of the MoU will be actually implemented.

Unlike you with "age old wisdom", I cannot discuss events that have not happened in reality - yet. When they do happen in reality, I may be able to do so. Please be patient until then, thanks.

 

[ShapurII]

If [final] deal is signed, Iran will be buying BIG BEAUTIFUL BOEING jets at a discount from Trump and America as well as from Macaroni & France.

Your always negative attitude is insufferable. While skepticism and cautious optimism is warranted given the lieing and treachours Americans. Your crying the last 10-20 pages of this thread is just unwarranted.

You have been consistently wrong this entire year. Including thinking Reza Pahlavi was the only “viable” option left for months (LOL!)

Please take a retreat and clear your mind and come back with a more positive [and realistic] Attitude.

"IF" the final deal is signed. That's a big if.

On the contrary, I think I have been consistently right every time. I said the US-Iran situation would enter a cycle of war + economic pressure until Iran implodes and that's the situation we are in at the moment. It hasn't ended yet for me to be proven wrong. I said the US would impose a blockade on Iran in response to our Strait of Hormuz blockade, and it did happen.

If you want to fall for the same "Trump is angry with Netanyahu" nonsense for the third time in the last 18 months, and you think Trump has genuinely submitted to the great might of the IRGC, then be my guest. But I think it's bullshit. Trump and Netanyahu are in the same team. There is no way that the US would sign something that goes against the fundamental interests of Israel.

If any of these things happen in the final agreement, I will leave PDF for good. Not all of them, but any of them:
1. The US gives Iran a penny of that $300 billion reconstruction plan.
2. The US lifts UNSC sanctions, US primary and secondary sanctions on Iran.
3. Iran receives a toll from the Strait of Hormuz.

However, if none of these things happened, or a final deal was not reached and the US attacked Iran again, I'll expect you to be quiet after that. Deal?

 

[Flotilla]

As I pointed out earlier, that would depend on how "proximity" is defined in last sentence of Paragraph 4.

Even if It just some warships or fighters, the retreat of any conventional force It is a NET INCOME compared by JCPOA.

US made Great Obama.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Well, the real world still is waiting at least 60 days to see the mechanisms by which the items of the MoU will be actually implemented.

Unlike you with "age old wisdom", I cannot discuss events that have not happened in reality - yet. When they do happen in reality, I may be able to do so. Please be patient until then, thanks.

No VC "wait and see" heng!

Not 60... one who who keeps harping needs to be spoon fed also... is it because you can't see... perhaps you can wait.

It is within 30 days...

Here's the clause 4
"Immediately upon the signing of this MOU, the United States of America will begin the removal of its naval blockade and any disturbances or impediments against the Islamic Republic of Iran, and will fully end the naval blockade within 30 days. During this period, the traffic of vessels will be in proportion to the numbers of pre-war traffic being restored by the Islamic Republic of Iran. The United States of America further undertakes to remove its forces from the proximity of the Islamic Republic of Iran within 30 days after the final deal."

and guess what the naval blockade from US side is already lifted... the rest per the same should manifest if it is to abide by the terms.

Now you should change your stance to... US won't do it... at least then your position will be clear. The forces will start leaving within 30 days thereafter the conclusion of final deal.

 

[TAC]

The steps that need to be taken on both sides, to ensure that commitments made (for example, about fissile materials) are kept, and stepwise release of funds for each such step completed successfully, are yet to be defined.

That’s not what I meant - point I’m making is even at best these ‘mechanisms’ achieve nothing more than what you already had with the Obama Accord. Now go weigh that up against what Iran will get as a result of this MOU.

 

[FUB]

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[Arash]

• 100B+ of Iranian frozen funds unlocking
• Oil and energy selling free of sanctions on day 1 to ANY country not just China.
• 300B reconstruction fund for companies and countries to invest in projects inside Iran
• Fees on ships bringing in another $10B a year
• Possible small scale enrichment capability
• UN Security Council endorsement
• Missile and proxy not for discussion

I mean the deal still needs to be signed and the fine print read, but if this happens hard to see how Iran could have gotten a better deal.

It seems Mojtaba and Qalibaf want to focus on rebuilding the economy and reconnecting with the world and deepening ties with China over being a hermit kingdom like North Korea.

That is basically the approach I said Iran should take. Rebuild its economy and military for 10-20 years and just pause nuclear development if there is no appetite for a dash for the bomb (which under Mojtaba doesn’t appear to be).

With a stronger more open economy you will have less corruption, less riots, less spies, and more money to pour in military R&D projects that can make a difference at building deterrence (stronger missiles, Drones, and cruise missiles).

Who knows in 10-20 years America could be severely weak and in state of chaos or decay and then Iran can do whatever it wants with respect to nuclear program.

No one knows what the future can bring.

Strait of hormuz fees will make around 50 billion / year at least

 

[krash]

Since @AZ_HighCountry has already written a comprehensive post about it, I'm not going to reiterate what he has said but even as of today, Pakistan does not have direct flights to New York City, let alone in the 70s.
Even as of today, PIA flies to 28 international destinations. I wonder how you flew to 40 international destinations in 1978. Also, Iran Air and Iran Airtour were different air lines. So, the fleet size of Iran Air (~30) was only for international flights, while Iran Airtour operated its own fleet for local tours inside Iran. Iran Air alone operated 30 something aircraft by the end of 70s. Even as of today, PIA operates 35 aircraft per Wikipedia. Apples and oranges.

Google the same question abut PIA instead of posting childish arguments.


How did PIA compare with the world's top airlines in the 1970s in terms of service, comfort, and reliability?

In the 1970s, Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) was widely considered a premier, world-class carrier, boasting a reputation and operational standard comparable to today’s luxury airlines. It set industry benchmarks rather than just following them. [1, 2, 3]

Service

• Trendsetting Hospitality: PIA was celebrated for its lavish in-flight hospitality, featuring cultural immersion, gourmet meals, and highly trained cabin crew.
• Innovations: The airline was a pioneer in introducing in-flight entertainment systems long before many of its western counterparts.
• Global Reputation: Its exceptional charm and elegance were famously praised by international jet-setters and dignitaries. [1, 2]

Comfort

• Modern Fleet: PIA boasted a highly modern and state-of-the-art fleet. They were the first Asian airline to commercially operate the iconic Boeing 707 and actively flew wide-body aircraft like the Douglas DC-10-30 on key international routes. [1, 2, 3]
• Global Reach: Because restricted airspace over Russia and China forced long-haul carriers to make technical stops, Karachi Airport operated as a bustling, cosmopolitan hub for passengers traveling east and west. [1]

Reliability

• Industry Experts: During this golden era, PIA was highly reliable and operationally proficient. In fact, the airline was so highly regarded that it was tapped to provide technical, operational, and pilot training assistance to emerging carriers, playing a foundational role in the early development of Emirates. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

 

[ShapurII]

Google the same question abut PIA instead of posting childish arguments.


How did PIA compare with the world's top airlines in the 1970s in terms of service, comfort, and reliability?

In the 1970s, Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) was widely considered a premier, world-class carrier, boasting a reputation and operational standard comparable to today’s luxury airlines. It set industry benchmarks rather than just following them. [1, 2, 3]

Service

• Trendsetting Hospitality: PIA was celebrated for its lavish in-flight hospitality, featuring cultural immersion, gourmet meals, and highly trained cabin crew.
• Innovations: The airline was a pioneer in introducing in-flight entertainment systems long before many of its western counterparts.
• Global Reputation: Its exceptional charm and elegance were famously praised by international jet-setters and dignitaries. [1, 2]

Comfort

• Modern Fleet: PIA boasted a highly modern and state-of-the-art fleet. They were the first Asian airline to commercially operate the iconic Boeing 707 and actively flew wide-body aircraft like the Douglas DC-10-30 on key international routes. [1, 2, 3]
• Global Reach: Because restricted airspace over Russia and China forced long-haul carriers to make technical stops, Karachi Airport operated as a bustling, cosmopolitan hub for passengers traveling east and west. [1]

Reliability

• Industry Experts: During this golden era, PIA was highly reliable and operationally proficient. In fact, the airline was so highly regarded that it was tapped to provide technical, operational, and pilot training assistance to emerging carriers, playing a foundational role in the early development of Emirates. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

AI slop. It doesn't address any of the things I said, neither does it back up any of his claims.

 

[Master Chief]

I am very happy for you to be able to make that conclusion so early, Sir. I have absolutely no problem with that at all, if that is what you must think.

Imagine asking your stockbroker if you should go long or short on oil....and the dude just smiles wryly and says "time will tell".

 

[Arash]

The French do know a thing or two about signing bad deals, don't they?

Forget French média. You look once at the president and its fucked up administration then you know there's nothing serious to hope for there........

 

[Arash]

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Idiots....... desperate idiots....

 

[Arash]

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Iran should excavate whatever junk is in and under the tomb of Esther and send it in trash cans to Israel...

 

[ShapurII]

Iran should excavate whatever junk is in and under the tomb of Esther and send it in trash cans to Israel...

I don't get why the tomb of Esther even exists in Iran. We should bulldoze it for good. She conspired against our establishment and is responsible for the massacre of our soldiers.

 

[krash]

AI slop. It doesn't address any of the things I said, neither does it back up any of his claims.

It's the same question asked from the same AI about PIA that @AZ_HighCountry had asked about Iran Air, the same "comprehensive post" you were touting. And it has sources.

Your questions are idiotic. PIA has fallen, that's the answer. But then, Iran Air has fallen further. PIA did fly direct to New York. Everything can be easily googled, you petulant child.