Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Yeah, for sure Iran's economy and disaspora can fuel a decent national airline but I really think Iran Air can become more then a Persian version of Air India or PIA. Look at Turkish Airlines 20 years ago and look at them now?

Again, much will depend on funding getting good global managerial talent, developing Tehran as a stopover location and how flexible the government will be when it comes to catering for westerners lifestyles. Emirates and all the big 3 GCC did this very well as did Turkish Airlines. Tehran is also located perfectly half way between Europe and Asia, more so even then Dubai I would argue.
Iran Air wasn't a Persian version of Air India or PIA in the 70s. It was possibly the world's best air line. It was more like the Emirates or the Qatar Airways of its time.

Iran Air was the first air line in the world to fly non-stop from Tehran to New York City, a distance of 9,867km in 12 hours, in early 70s. That era will never happen again though.
 
I'm surprised that you don't see it. The US is using our own oil to fill the world's strategic reserves in case that they want to attack Iran again in the future.
The US also issued sanction waivers for purchasing our oil during the war. How is this any different?

Didn't Scott Bessent say that the US was using our own oil against our blockade of the Strait of Hormuz? How is this different now?


What framework? No sanctions will be lifted before the final deal. Iran is still not connected to the SWIFT banking system.
That is not an honest comparison. That was a short waiver for ships already on the sea to China, this is a global waiver for all oil and petrochemical exports including logistics and banking services.

I’m not sure what more you think Iran could have achieved in a temporary MOU with no irreversible concessions given.

Considering we could only fire 10-20 missiles per day at Israel with 1-2 material impacts per day and <1 killed Israeli per day on average, this MOU is a miracle

Yes we had some leverage with the Strait but we should not over play our cards. The leadership is best placed to assess our economic and military position and the merits of any further fighting and they clearly determined the MOU was in our interests
 
I agree. This "memorandum of understanding" is just an extended ceasefire for countries to refill their strategic oil reserves to prevent an economic crash when the next round of war happens.


The MoU is not a framework. Nothing is final there. Everything has been left open to interpretation so far. Even the $300 billion that is cited very often has been left wide open to interpretation. Nothing of significance has been agreed upon, except for meeting again to finalize a deal in 60 days. Even that is not certain because the parties of this MoU can extend this 60 day period mutually.

Per Trump's own words: "No, it's not final. It's a memorandum of understanding. And if I don't like it, we will go back to shooting at them, dropping bombs on their head".


Nope, not incorrect. The waiver allows other countries to buy our oil, but the money will not be transferred to Iran, or be sent to Iran as cash. It will be used as credit lines to import goods. So, nope. Nothing has changed. We already had such an arrangement with the Chinese.


And this proves my point.
Ghalibaf talked about credit lines using the frozen assets, not the oil sales, you are conflating topics
 
That is not an honest comparison. That was a short waiver for ships already on the sea to China, this is a global waiver for all oil and petrochemical exports including logistics and banking services.

I’m not sure what more you think could have achieved in a temporary MOU with no irreversible concessions given.
I don't see any difference. The point is that it helps Trump achieve what it wants: stability in the energy market. Have you checked oil prices lately? Oil is falling below $70 per barrel. It's $75 per barrel as we speak. Soon oil will return to $65 per barrel and countries will fill their strategic reserves with cheap oil and prepare for the next round. Don't you think that's possible?

I expected Iran to receive some cash, as promised to us. Wasn't it promised to us? I remember people cited numbers like $24 billion and $12 billion quite regularly.

Ghalibaf talked about credit lines using the frozen assets, not the oil sales, you are conflating topics
Ghalibaf didn't really specify that. It is a claim by you. If you think our oil sales will be treated differently, you need to back it up. Don't you think so?
 
Just allow some time over the next 60 days to see what exact mechanisms are put in place before dismissing them so blithely. There is much more to come in this regard.
Mechanisms to achieve what?? At best same as what you already had with Obama Accord??
 
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One cannot predict the future, one can comment on the present, and in that sense, this seems like a overwhelming victory for Iran

I am very happy for you to be able to make that conclusion so early, Sir. I have absolutely no problem with that at all, if that is what you must think.
 
Behind paywall so posting all.
Plenty of the Israeli way of 'Randi Rona' (Breast Beating). Enjoy!!


Israel awoke to a frightening new reality on Thursday as it absorbed, with disbelief and largely in silence, the terms of President Trump’s agreement to end the war with Iran.

It is a disastrous deal from Israel’s point of view, analysts said, because it accomplishes none of Israel’s war aims and arguably leaves the country in worse shape on each of them.

“It’s a bad agreement in which the Americans are paying with cash, and got, at the maximum, a letter of intent,” Yaakov Amidror, a hawkish former national security adviser to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, said in an interview.

David Horovitz, the editor of The Times of Israel, called it “a catastrophic capitulation,” in the headline of a lengthy opinion column.

And Nir Dvori, an analyst for Israel’s Channel 12 News, likened the deal to a “diplomatic Oct. 7” — a cataclysmic disaster for which Israel was wholly unprepared.

Regime change? The government in Tehran is emerging from the war even more hard-line and emboldened, despite being decapitated at the outset of the conflict in late February. Some analysts said Iran had effectively chased the U.S. military out of the region, given the deal’s requirement that American forces retreat from the “proximity” of Iran within 30 days.

Ballistic missiles and proxy militias? The agreement does nothing to address Iran’s missile arsenal or its support of Israel’s enemies, like Hezbollah in Lebanon and the Houthis in Yemen.

Worse, by constraining Israeli military action in Lebanon — indeed, by requiring that Israel withdraw its forces from that country — it seeks to handcuff Israel in a way that it was not before the war began.

The hundreds of billions of dollars that Iran could receive in sanctions relief, unfrozen assets, or reconstruction aid could wind up funding more missiles in Iran and aiding Tehran’s militia allies around the Middle East.

And Iran’s nuclear program? The existential threat to Israel that Mr. Netanyahu tried to eliminate throughout his career, and which was Mr. Trump’s primary reason for joining the wars on Iran, was left for a later stage of U.S.-Iran negotiations.

Mr. Netanyahu and top officials in his government offered no public comment on the agreement overnight, leaving minor ministers and backbench lawmakers to put the best possible face on it.

Amichai Chikli, the diaspora affairs minister, speculated in a radio interview that Mr. Netanyahu would know how to say no to Mr. Trump about pulling out of Lebanon just as he knew how “to bring the United States into this war.”

But others more soberly grappled with the degree to which Mr. Netanyahu’s triumphalist rhetoric from early in the war had proved fantastical. He had repeatedly and confidently assured Israelis that the country and its alliance with the United States were “changing the face of the Middle East” to Israel’s advantage.

“We are remaking the region,” Chuck Freilich, a former Israeli deputy national security adviser, said on Thursday.

“Iran came out stronger, and I believe is now the regional hegemon,” he added. “They stood up to the U.S., the global superpower. They can have missiles, and there’s nothing in the agreement about the nuclear issue except we’ll talk about it. This is an Iranian victory over the U.S. and Israel.”
Careful now, NYT will get accused of being ‘premature’ too lol.
 
Iran Air wasn't a Persian version of Air India or PIA in the 70s. It was possibly the world's best air line. It was more like the Emirates or the Qatar Airways of its time.

Iran Air was the first air line in the world to fly non-stop from Tehran to New York City, a distance of 9,867km in 12 hours, in early 70s. That era will never happen again though.

PIA had many world firsts and was a premier airline too, however the rise of 3rd party carriers is a recent phenomen, no airline back then can compare is size, revenue or service to the modern major carrier, this is no criticism
 
Iran Air wasn't a Persian version of Air India or PIA in the 70s. It was possibly the world's best air line. It was more like the Emirates or the Qatar Airways of its time.

Iran Air was the first air line in the world to fly non-stop from Tehran to New York City, a distance of 9,867km in 12 hours, in early 70s. That era will never happen again though.
I remember seeing Iran Air flights as a kid,
 
Mechanisms to achieve what?

The steps that need to be taken on both sides, to ensure that commitments made (for example, about fissile materials) are kept, and stepwise release of funds for each such step completed successfully, are yet to be defined.
 
PIA had many world firsts and was a premier airline too, however the rise of 3rd party carriers is a recent phenomen, no airline back then can compare is size, revenue or service to the modern major carrier, this is no criticism
Sure, there is no comparison between air lines in 70s and 2026. I'm afraid I'm missing your point.
 
Contrary to the doomers and gloomers here and contrary to Trump's boast about 100 million barrels passed through the Strait, listen to what Elijah Magnier said a few days ago: Even if the 100 million barrels claim was true, that was still a very small amount of the needed output. And also listen to what Trump himself said yesterday about 'only four weeks' reserves left.
Which, for those who are able to connect the dots, falls in line with what I've been seeing and oil executives reporting regarding US gasoline inventories.

It's an election season here in the US. It is now summer (or will be in 2 days). What better way to ensure an epic and humiliating defeat at the ballot box if the American public is paying $7+ per gallon across the country. If they can even find it that is.

I realize with some here there is no explaining that reality so I'll no longer attempt it. But that is the harsh reality. We live in an era where political outcomes drive the thought process.
 

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