_Arabia_
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Nonsense post when KSA alone has produced both. I suggest taking a look at the "Made in KSA" thread.
Does not change anything that I wrote and the correctness of it.
The Egyptian-Turkish alliance.. Cairo and Ankara are moving towards a new Middle East through the “KAAN” stealth aircraft project
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Does not change anything that I wrote and the correctness of it.
MMM-E
Elite Member
Unlike Iran , Turkish Army is in Syria and Iraq
Turkish Forces in Cyprus Syria , Iraq , Azerbaijan , Libya , Qatar and Somalia
We use real military power , not proxies
And unlike Iran , we have advanced defense Industry
ChineseTiger1986
Registered Member
China-KSA-Pakistan could produce a nuclear submarine deal like the AUKUS.
With both Pakistan and KSA being armed with ICBM and nuclear subs, the choking point of the Arabian Sea-Indian Ocean would say farewell to the US and the western powers permanently.
_Arabia_
Trusted Member
Not the point that I was making, was it?
All by invitation of the host countries.
Same logic behind KSA presence in most GCC states, Djibouti, Somalia (now), Yemen, Sudan, Libya.
Main point was that the likelihood of a direct Türkiye-Israel war is very low for various of reasons that are not the topic of this thread.
MMM-E
Elite Member
Turkiye has started developing its own Defense Industry in 1975 after American arms embargo
Through 50 years of intense work and determination, Turkiye today possesses a defense industry more advanced than all other Islamic countries combined...despite USA'S-NATO's embargoes.
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On the other hand , Arabs still gives hundreds of billions of Dollars to USA-The UK to buy weapons
Arabs should work with Turkiye to create their own Defense Industry
MMM-E
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KSA produced nothing and nothing in service
Ali_Baba
VIP Member
Yes. They have wasted a lot of money and have only “now” started their journey. Arabs will do what is in their best interests for better or worse. Buy where appropriate, build where appropriate and collaborate where appropriate.
MMM-E
Elite Member
Arabs can not create an advanced Defense Industry themselves ,
Nobody ( USA-Europe ) will give most critical technologies to Arabs
They haven't started anything either.
Arabs are still spending hundreds of billions of dollars on useless American weapons .... ( in a war American weapons wont work against Israel )
instead of working with Turkiye
_Arabia_
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Again which "Arabs" are we talking about here? There are 20 + Arab countries and 600 million Arabs in 2026.
KSA for instance have not "wasted" money on any US/Western weapons. We have bought and gotten the best weapons that money can buy almost.
It is US weapons (state of the art) such as THAAD, Patriots, F-15SA, soon F-35 and others that have helped keep the skies of KSA safe for 95-98% of all ballistic missile attacks or drone attacks in the past 10 + years. KSA was until this recent conflict in the region the most battle-hardened air defense in the world.
Later for Ukraine to take the mantle due to the Russian-Ukrainian war.
Most of our leading engineers, key personal who are now transforming our defense sector and who are heading our public and private defense firms were often educated at leading US/Western universities. Later to take their knowledge back home.
KSA is located at the crossroads of the world. Between Africa, Europe and Asia. We have always historically had close civilizational ties with all of those regions. We have learned to take the best of everything from those regions and civilizations. We are not in a position to exclusively attach ourselves to any region. We are not a part of NATO, BRICS or ay such organization.
Our ties with the US are historic and 80 years old. At the same time our ties with China have become strategic since the 1980's and today China is our by far largest trade partner.
Arabs and China have annual trade volume of 400 billion!
China-Arab Trade Volume Hits $407.4 Billion in 2024
Beijing, July 30 (QNA) - Trade volume between China and Arab countries rose by 2.3% year-on-year in 2024, reaching $407.4 billion, reinforcing China’s position as the Arab world’s top trading partner for consecutive years.
qna.org.qa
We try to have good ties with Europe as well, Muslim world, Arab world, Africa, Latin America, South East Asia, Pakistan, South Asia, Central Asia, China, Japan, South Korea, Russia.
Fools are those that do not understand that geopolitics is a chess game and that you need to do what is the best for your country and people and to ensure that they prosper. It is stupid to rely just purely on one or a few allies, in a perfect world, you need to have cordial relations with all relevant powers in the world to ensure some kind of equilibrium.
Delusions of grandeur and copium. Whatever floats your boat. As of today KSA and other wealthy Arab states are founding some of the most strategic projects in Turkiye. Do not write nonsense.
Also what KSA has achieved just within 10 years time is absolutely amazing and undeniable with this just being the start. In 20-30 years, KSA will become self-sufficient in most fields. KSA for instance is one of the leading investors in AI. We have the money and talent. Let alone rest of the Arab world. All that is needed is stability and clever leadership. Rest will come by itself with hard work.
Arabs were once not that long ago leading the world in science and technology. Less can do in the future.
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MMM-E
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Not only KAAN 5th gen Fighter Jet project
Today, Turkiye is the first country in the world to test an unmanned combat aircraft (Air to Air Mission).
KIZIELMA fired GOKDOGAN BVR missile using MURAD AESA Radar
This is the technology of the future, and a tailless, twin-engine platform like the ANKA-4 will achieve a combat capability on par with the F-35 for BVR combat
The US will not give these technologies to the Arabs; it is for Israel's security.
If the Arabs have any sense, they should partner with Turkiye on these projects and catch up with and acquire the technologies of the future.
(MUM-T concept to operate with KAAN)
including ASOJ-23A stand off Jammer Aircraft .. only Turkiye in the region
( and only Turkiye and USA in NATO )
Today, Turkiye is the first country in the world to test an unmanned combat aircraft (Air to Air Mission).
KIZIELMA fired GOKDOGAN BVR missile using MURAD AESA Radar
This is the technology of the future, and a tailless, twin-engine platform like the ANKA-4 will achieve a combat capability on par with the F-35 for BVR combat
The US will not give these technologies to the Arabs; it is for Israel's security.
If the Arabs have any sense, they should partner with Turkiye on these projects and catch up with and acquire the technologies of the future.
(MUM-T concept to operate with KAAN)
including ASOJ-23A stand off Jammer Aircraft .. only Turkiye in the region
( and only Turkiye and USA in NATO )
MMM-E
Elite Member
Which one ? No any Arab investment on strategic projects in Turkiye.
Only giving hundreds of billions of Dollars to TRUMP
And TRUMP said , Hey , King, we're protecting you. You might not be there for two weeks without us. You have to pay for your military,
_Arabia_
Trusted Member
I suggest you do some reading about the KSA-Turkiye defense deals and strategic deals that were signed lately. As well as the Saudi Arabian and Arab founding within Turkiye on numerous fronts, not only defense.
As for Trump he says a lot of things, in the real world the House of Saud have been around for 300 + years - some 50 years longer than the US has been in existence as a country. The country will be around long after Trump will be gone as well.
So far none of those big deals have been materialized either. So meaningless as well.
In any case nobody can deny the effectiveness of THAAD, Patriots, F15-SA etc. that has helped protect KSA successfully. Turkiye has nothing alike so even if we had an option of going the Turkish way 10-30+ years ago, there would be no such option available.
Same with KAAN. It is not a finished project. F-35 today is a real deal for instance. KSA cannot afford to wait 5-10 years. Not in this region. So we need something in the meantime.
In any case KSA is not interested in any wars or conflicts with anybody. We are focusing on local infrastructure, economic and scientific/technological growth and the betterment of the people in a very volatile region.
royalharris
Registered Member
This is a very common phenomenon in the Muslim world. In some less-developed Muslim countries, people harbor jealousy and resentment toward more developed Muslim countries. Their mindset becomes deeply distorted, driven by envy and hostility.
What they fail to realize is that today's world is a global village, where every country focuses on developing the industries in which it has a comparative advantage. Instead, they often attack developed Muslim regions by pointing to sectors in which those regions are not particularly strong.
This is one of the reasons why some underdeveloped Muslim countries remain trapped in poverty and backwardness: their hearts and minds are filled with envy, jealousy, and resentment.
What they call industrial or technological achievements are hardly worth mentioning in the eyes of the world's major industrial and technological powers. Most of their industries and technologies are nothing more than offshoots, accessories, or derivative products of the technological and industrial systems led by China and the United States
What they fail to realize is that today's world is a global village, where every country focuses on developing the industries in which it has a comparative advantage. Instead, they often attack developed Muslim regions by pointing to sectors in which those regions are not particularly strong.
This is one of the reasons why some underdeveloped Muslim countries remain trapped in poverty and backwardness: their hearts and minds are filled with envy, jealousy, and resentment.
What they call industrial or technological achievements are hardly worth mentioning in the eyes of the world's major industrial and technological powers. Most of their industries and technologies are nothing more than offshoots, accessories, or derivative products of the technological and industrial systems led by China and the United States
MMM-E
Elite Member
That means , sooner or later Turkiye will become real independent world power with its own manned-unmanned Fighter Jets
on the other hand , S.Arabia will always dependent on USA
In a war, Your F-35s can not even take off without receiving code from the US.
and Your war ends the moment you run out of ammunition/missiles
_Arabia_
Trusted Member
Good if that will be the case. We need strong Muslim nations.
Baseless claim. Same could be said about Turkiye before. Nothing is static and KSA is rapidly developing industrially, scientifically, technologically and militarily. All in order to achieve greater self-sufficiency economically and security wise.
Same was said about F-15-SA which proved to be a lie. Same with THAAD, Patriots etc.
Fact of the matter is that KSA cannot afford to wait 5-10 years for projects that might or might not manifest itself. We need the best options that money can buy and what we can realistically get, right here and now. Or as soon as possible.
Which is also why Turkiye also wants F-35, THAAD, Patriots etc.
Also lastly, KSA is not interested in any wars or conflicts. We already have the largest country in the region (by far), the wealthiest and richest in terms of resources, natural and mineral wealth, we already have Makkah and Madinah etc. We do not lack anything. If anything we should only be prepared if others attack us or try to stir up perpetual conflict or wars on our borders as certain regimes have been trying to do. Focus is on economic growth (1.5 trillion USD economy, 1 trillion + PIF sovereign wealth fund - not including others) and scientific and technological growth (human capital).
Rest is noise.
KSA-Turkiye have cordial relations today and that will likely continue as we are in agreement with most regional events and cooperation is likely to grow in strength only. I have to go now.
