Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

Israeli TV nonsense :

"Iran is using electromagnetic brain wave weapon´s to brainwash americans including Trump to do their biddings"

It's clearly stupid nonsense, but whenever Jews accuse somebody of something, take it as a confession. The Jews take "every accusation is a confession" to the next level.

I'm not saying such a technology exists or could exist, but it shows you how much the Jews are invested in this mass brainwashing stuff.

 

[Flotilla]

Another mea culpa by a conservative journalist, albiet one whom I have never heard of. He admits the US went into this war with no plan and is very bitter about its defeat.

https://thehill.com/national-security/5930898-iran-strait-hormuz-us-surrender/

He´s lying himself.
He just limite the defeat to a kind of mistaken calculus about the control of Strait of Hormuz, and that is a obvious lie.

Even before controlling the Strait of Hormuz, Iran was already giving the US a beating. They hit to the point to empty all military bases in Middle East. They lost long range radar, SAM launchers and more than a dozen of aircrafts just in the bases.

More than 3 dozen of aircrafts were shot down, creating a de facto A2/AD zone. Probably two dozen were drones, but 2 C130 were shootdown, 6 helicopters and at least 3 fighters. And re deployment of new forces in rural areas was promising more prizes for IRGCADF.

The carriers were operating to the limit of the radius combat of their aircrafts. In addition to that, the denial of the use of US bases in the Region caused long refueling flights where two tanker planes were lost due to enemy action and a third was seriously damaged. They were operating from Israel or even Cyprus in countless hours of flight just to enter in a contested airspace were SAM SHORADS of IR seekers were ambushing them.

No, before loosing Strait of Hormuz, THEY LOST THE WAR.

 

[tsunset]

I've just read some posts on Hebrew X saying Iran is using Worlds Mass Destruction weapons to brainwash Trump and force him to sign the deal with it and propagate antisemitic ideas with microwaves

They claim they use electromagnetic waves that can alter the brain and make the whole body relax, making it easier for anyone to accept something

Apparently they say Araghchi holds this miniature system hidden inside his suit

 

[Watandar]

He´s lying himself.
He just limite the defeat to a kind of mistaken calculus about the control of Strait of Hormuz, and that is a obvious lie.

Even before controlling the Strait of Hormuz, Iran was already giving the US a beating. They hit to the point to empty all military bases in Middle East. They lost long range radar, SAM launchers and more than a dozen of aircrafts just in the bases.

More than 3 dozen of aircrafts were shot down, creating a de facto A2/AD zone. Probably two dozen were drones, but 2 C130 were shootdown, 6 helicopters and at least 3 fighters. And re deployment of new forces in rural areas was promising more prizes for IRGCADF.

The carriers were operating to the limit of the radius combat of their aircrafts. In addition to that, the denial of the use of US bases in the Region caused long refueling flights where two tanker planes were lost due to enemy action and a third was seriously damaged. They were operating from Israel or even Cyprus in countless hours of flight just to enter in a contested airspace were SAM SHORADS of IR seekers were ambushing them.

No, before loosing Strait of Hormuz, THEY LOST THE WAR.

Of course they lost the war and for more reasons than just the Hormuz strait. But this is about as much as they will admit in defeat. You still have Americans and their flunkies who claim the US never lost in Vietnam or Afghanistan!

 

[hussain0216]

On its current course, Israel is doomed. Chas Freeman has said that multiple times.
The West Bank is too heavily monitored by the Israelis to rise again. But taking Gaza by force will exact large casualties and we know how Israelis are casualty-averse; as it is there are recruitment concerns in the Israeli military.

It's not just the military consequences of taking gaza or the west bank that's the problem for Israel

They have the military to do that especially if the U.S supports them, it's the moral human fallout

They take Gaza, they take WB, that means MILLIONS of Palestinians under occupation, and constant scrutiny of Israel

Netenyahu will die knowing that Israel is in danger of collapsing

 

[Immortals]

The optics will fool your average MAGA supporter, not the US congressmen loyal to Israel.

It doesn’t matter, MAGA ie Trump has way more power in this Congress than Obama ever did when he tried to push JCPOA.

Republicans will ultimately fall in line because this is Trump’s foreign policy achievement. You might have some APAIC crazy congressmen (Ted Cruz) who will dissent. But at the end of the day, most Republican congressman don’t have the balls to stand against Trump. Especially with mid terms coming up and gas prices needing to fall.

 

[Immortals]

 

[Immortals]

Considering how things are going, could we potentially see embassies opening in each other's territories?

Iran already has a consulate inside the Pakistan embassy in D.C.

Important to note that the U.S. Embargo on Iran still is in effect. I doubt we will see U.S. embassy opening in Tehran until Iran gets actual benefits under this JCPOA 2.0 and doesn’t get tricked [again].

So I wouldn’t expect a embassy opening for likely years.

know its a long shot, but these negotiations seem more like normalization talks, rather than nuclear talks.

They are basically JCPOA 2.0 talks that happened under Obama. Far from normalization. The only reason Vance is there is because Rubio doesn’t want to touch this radioactive deal with a 12 foot pole before 2028 elections and Iran hates talking to Witkoff and Jared.

 

[Persian Gulf]

US oil reserves fall to lowest level since 1983

 

[Persian Gulf]

Accident during RESTART operations at Barzan Gas Plant, Ras Laffan Industrial Zone, Qatar, was much worse than expected: 13 people killed and 66 injured

 

[Persian Gulf]

They are basically JCPOA 2.0 talks that happened under Obama. Far from normalization. The only reason Vance is there is because Rubio doesn’t want to touch this radioactive deal with a 12 foot pole before 2028 elections and Iran hates talking to Witkoff and Jared.

the MOU refers to the lifting of all sanctions, including primary sanctions. the JCPOA only lifted secondary sanctions. so this new deal, while based on the JCPOA, seems to go much further (possibly in both ways).

 

[AZ_HighCountry]

US oil reserves fall to lowest level since 1983

But......but.....

 

[unconventional]

Israel may not be in some 'existential threat' right now but by now it is hard to find any analyst giving the recent war a spin to make Israel came out ahead! Israelis are alarmed and in deep gloom! If the MOU and subsequent was so meaningless you seem to imply then the Israelis and their surrogates in America wouldn't be breast beating and wouldn't be trying to sabotage the MOU and its consequences.

As to the IAEA inspections: I don't think Iran has any issues with them.

I don’t think the Israelis came out ahead, I think the Iranians came out ahead for sure. But my point was this deal, or the April ceasefire or the JCPOA were not against Israel (anti Israeli), they were against Netanyahu and his imperialist interests yes.

 

[Meengla]

It doesn’t matter, MAGA ie Trump has way more power in this Congress than Obama ever did when he tried to push JCPOA.
Republicans will ultimately fall in line because this is Trump’s foreign policy achievement. You might have some APAIC crazy congressmen (Ted Cruz) who will dissent. But at the end of the day, most Republican congressman don’t have the balls to stand against Trump. Especially with mid terms coming up and gas prices needing to fall.

Right. Plus there are many in the Democratic Party who would vote along with the Republicans. There are some Democrats who, due to the automatic opposition to any Republican initiatives or the AIPAC money, will oppose Trump's legislation over the Middle East but I think many would support Trump or abstain during voting. Speaking of which, I am not seeing Bernie Sanders or Chris Van Hoellen opposed to the MOU.

 

[unconventional]

Strategically Iran has played a blinder. They have helmed in plans for any greater Israel that goes north, Egypt blocks them to the south.

My worry is they will try and placate their zeolots and extremists by annexing all of Gaza and West Bank. This is all they have left. It can be the price to be paid for peace in Iran and Lebanon will be to release the Israeli pit bull against the Palestinians.

They will try to squeeze the Palestinians further by increasing settlements in The West Bank (they’re already doing that) and increasing the occupation in Gaza; but they cannot make the 5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza disappear into thin air, so they cannot completely annex both territories and ethnically cleanse 5 million Palestinians.