Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[ShapurII]

I saw a few weeks ago that due to Trump's aggressive (and insulting) posture toward Europe, starting with the Greenland, Europeans are thinking of alternate to SWIFT and even alternates to VISA/Master Card/Paypal etc.
Off topic though.

I won't hold my breath for it though.

 

[tsunset]

Unfortunately the only solution for the threats to stop is to send an FPV on the White House roof to send a physical reminder to Trump to stop his online desperate debacle

Iran should view this like a morning alarm to calm down Trump

 

[ShapurII]

Brazil has own payment method (substitute of visa/mastercard), I think they are the only one in the countries under USA influence. And it's only for national payments.

Swift for international payments... unlikely.

ECB in EU always had target2 for bank transfers inside Eurozone.

In Spain there is some kind of PayPal, using phone number and bank account, called "bizum".

SWIFT is an international network of banks for interbank operations.

Iran has its own payment system too, and it has integrated it with some Russian banks and payment systems like MIR. I'm sure all countries have such systems or can develop such systems in several weeks. That's not the difficult part, every country can do it, but SWIFT is different because nearly all banks in the world are connected to it.

Countries can create their own systems, but can you convince other banks in the other parts of the world to join your network? That's the problem. And so far, even the BRICS has failed to find a solution to this. It's not a matter of technology, it's a matter of reputation.

Any decent software engineer can build a website like Instagram or facebook, but will it replace them? The same problem.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Lots of US agricultural products aren't even legal for human consumption in EU. Some of the lowest quality food on Earth and covered in chemicals.

Well that should be the Iranian route as well. Get what is healthy and leave the rest... perhaps that will change the behavior of growers in the US for the positive as well.
No one should be forced to pick unhealthy choices. The worst food is found in inner cities with most empty calories or ultra processed foods and most expensive and/or organic in the burbs... supermarkets like erewhon charge north of $2 per apple...
The easiest way however is to get the resources out is in machines, planes and upgrades of longterm neglected equipment from shah days.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

Strategically Iran has played a blinder. They have helmed in plans for any greater Israel that goes north, Egypt blocks them to the south.

My worry is they will try and placate their zeolots and extremists by annexing all of Gaza and West Bank. This is all they have left. It can be the price to be paid for peace in Iran and Lebanon will be to release the Israeli pit bull against the Palestinians.

Zion for now assumes that they'll negotiate concessions on Internationally recognized Lebanese territory or just simply keep it by sending settlers to create facts on the ground ... as they do elsewhere.
Terror outfits and banking cartel has managed to snag an entity for themselves and cover it by blackmail and sabotage. The leverage that both terror and financial manipulation allows.

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Not quite. Both, the Saudis and the Iranians, have had a decades long MO of attempting to spread political influence in the region under the garb of sectarian/ideological propagation and hence have stood opposed to the other. They've done it in each other's countries along with others, such as Pakistan. It's just a tool and nothing more. Otherwise, there are plenty of Sunni in Palestine and Shia in Kashmir.



Wannabe Iranian. Result of the above.

You may be the Think Tank Consultant, but I have lived in Saudi Arabia.

Saudi ulema are staunchly anti-Shia.

 

[BHAN85]

SWIFT is an international network of banks for interbank operations.

Iran has its own payment system too, and it has integrated it with some Russian banks and payment systems like MIR. I'm sure all countries have such systems or can develop such systems in several weeks. That's not the difficult part, every country can do it, but SWIFT is different because nearly all banks in the world are connected to it.

Countries can create their own systems, but can you convince other banks in the other parts of the world to join your network? That's the problem. And so far, even the BRICS has failed to find a solution to this. It's not a matter of technology, it's a matter of reputation.

Any decent software engineer can build a website like Instagram or facebook, but will it replace them? The same problem.

Yeah of course it's not a technical problem.

I only talked about countries under USA influence due to that. It's a problem of political will of vassals who are comfortable in their vassal status.

BTW Chinese credit cards UnionPay (Chinese equivalent to MasterCard/Visa) are accepted almost in all Spanish ATM and shops, although no Spanish banks issues those cards.

I opened a thread about e-CNY, electronic renminbi, days ago here, and it was closed due to "Advertising" , in China subforum.

I know Iran has a own electronic system to sell petrol.
I didnt know Iran has own credit card system, what is the name? can it be used outside Iran? Here Russian MIR system can't be used, but Chinese UnionPay yes. What's the most used payment system in Iran?

 

[Aryan_B]

Just for laugh gags...

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surprised hes not in pedo epstein file whats he doing with those kids?? looks like pedo to me

 

[Aryan_B]

You may be the Think Tank Consultant, but I have lived in Saudi Arabia.

Saudi ulema are staunchly anti-Shia.

Only since revolution prior to that Iran Saudi were allies, This sect thing is all bull

 

[Muji.Iqbal]

Only since revolution prior to that Iran Saudi were allies, This sect thing is all bull

You are correct, Sir. Before the Iranian revolution Saudi Arabia and Shah of Iran were allies.

That is correct. But some intellectual said people do not know everything about Sunni/Shia rift.

The Shias also have some valid arguments as well.

I am Sunni by the way.

 

[Immortals]

Yeah, would not surprise me, will go down very well in the US and Iran badly needs moderen airliners. As I mentioned, no reason Iran Air cannot take on the big 3 GCC carriers.

200 737s and 100 787s will make Trump very happy and it also provides him good ammo against the Zionists who are attacking him right now on this deal. It is not a stupid move by Iran, they have driven a wedge between US and Israel, no one has done that in last 40 years, they should capitalise on this.

If US can now sell weapons to Iraq, Vietnam and India who were all enemies at one point, no reason in a few years, if trust is permanently established, we cannot see modern US weapons in Iran (again)

To be fair 2015 JCPOA had a big Boeing order and only I think a 1-2 aircraft were ever delivered before Trump tore it up.

How big could it be to convince the Congress? $10 billion at most?
I don't think the US needs $10 billion that badly.

It’s the optics of a deal not the dollar amount. And Trump loves announcing deals. Look at China deal with respect to American agriculture products.

Plus like it or not, Iran is a MAJOR wheat importer and until now mostly relied on India. If it can import from America that helps diversify its food chain. It has purchased American agricultural goods in the past, so this isn’t some bizarre event.

 

[Immortals]

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Significant American concession to Iran

 

[ShapurII]

Yeah of course it's not a technical problem.

I only talked about countries under USA influence due to that. It's a problem of political will of vassals who are comfortable in their vassal status.

BTW Chinese credit cards UnionPay (Chinese equivalent to MasterCard/Visa) are accepted almost in all Spanish ATM and shops, although no Spanish banks issues those cards.

I opened a thread about e-CNY, electronic renminbi, days ago here, and it was closed due to "Advertising" , in China subforum.

I know Iran has a own electronic system to sell petrol.
I didnt know Iran has own credit card system, what is the name? can it be used outside Iran? Here Russian MIR system can't be used, but Chinese UnionPay yes. What's the most used payment system in Iran?

Yes, exactly. The Europeans have the required reputation to create their own system for the EU countries at least, but I doubt it would extend to non-EU countries anytime soon. The BRICS has tried to create such an interbank system but it hasn't happened yet, due to lack of political will as you said.

Yes, if I'm not mistaken, Iran tried to integrate with UnionPay as well, but China wasn't interested, probably because of the US sanctions. But Iranian ATMs accept Russian MIR cards now. Iran's SHETAB cards are now accepted in Russian ATMs as well. I think Iran is also in talks with Belarus to do the same.

Iran has multiple payment systems. For ATMs, it's called SHETAB, which is an acronym but it is also the literal word for 'acceleration' in Persian. It is the fastest payment method in Iran and transactions are processed immediately and it works 24/7. All debit cards issued by banks in Iran are connected to SHETAB by default.

We have other systems for larger amounts of money called PAYA and SATNA. Their transactions are processed in prescheduled intervals. There is also another payment system called POL, which is like SHETAB but it's used for larger amounts of money and only some Iranian banks support it.

These are the major level-0 systems in Iran, but several payment gateways offer different functionalities based on these systems, which are indirectly controlled by the Central Bank of Iran. The payment gateways have their own APIs for other websites. Sort of like Stripe.

 

[ShapurII]

It’s the optics of a deal not the dollar amount. And Trump loves announcing deals. Look at China deal with respect to American agriculture products.

Plus like it or not, Iran is a MAJOR wheat importer and until now mostly relied on India. If it can import from America that helps diversify its food chain. It has purchased American agricultural goods in the past, so this isn’t some bizarre event.

The optics will fool your average MAGA supporter, not the US congressmen loyal to Israel.

Yes, even during Ahmadinejad's time, the US exported lots of pharmaceuticals and wheat to Iran. If we are talking about wheat, then that's fine. But if we are going to import some GMO products, then hell no.