Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[unconventional]

It is remarkable how good Pakistan’s diplomacy has been, seeing how the sworn enemies (the Iranian regime and the Trump administration) trust Pakistan so much, and neither party views Pakistan’s closeness to the other side with suspicion.

That is a remarkable feat.

Compare that to times from the Musharraf era, Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, Imran Khan eras; where Pakistan was accused by the West of supporting the Taliban and playing a double game with the US. This was the time when India had managed to isolate us to some degree in the international arena.

Pakistani leaders hug both the Trump administration people and the Iranian government officials, no issues. Pakistan hosts the US and Iran on its soil. Now Masood Pezeshkian lands in Pakistan. Great diplomacy, and it has left India isolated and frustrated at the world stage.

 

[Master Chief]

It is remarkable how good Pakistan’s diplomacy has been, seeing how the sworn enemies (the Iranian regime and the Trump administration) trust Pakistan so much, and neither party views Pakistan’s closeness to the other side with suspicion.

That is a remarkable feat.

Compare that to times from the Musharraf era, Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, Imran Khan eras; where Pakistan was accused by the West of supporting the Taliban and playing a double game with the US. This was the time when India had managed to isolate us to some degree in the international arena.

Pakistani leaders hug both the Trump administration people and the Iranian government officials, no issues. Pakistan hosts the US and Iran on its soil. Now Masood Pezeshkian lands in Pakistan. Great diplomacy, and it has left India isolated and frustrated at the world stage.

The real concern is WHY are India so obstructive in this scenario? Put the rivalry to one side, why are they so mentally immature as a race that they feel a need to sabotage a process that would actually be beneficial for them? How can a race despise another so much that they will punch themselves in the testicles repeatedly, in the miserable hope that one single punch might somehow connect with the Pakistani quietly standing next to them?

 

[Yasser76]

It is remarkable how good Pakistan’s diplomacy has been, seeing how the sworn enemies (the Iranian regime and the Trump administration) trust Pakistan so much, and neither party views Pakistan’s closeness to the other side with suspicion.

That is a remarkable feat.

Compare that to times from the Musharraf era, Zardari, Nawaz Sharif, Imran Khan eras; where Pakistan was accused by the West of supporting the Taliban and playing a double game with the US. This was the time when India had managed to isolate us to some degree in the international arena.

Pakistani leaders hug both the Trump administration people and the Iranian government officials, no issues. Pakistan hosts the US and Iran on its soil. Now Masood Pezeshkian lands in Pakistan. Great diplomacy, and it has left India isolated and frustrated at the world stage.

Honestly we played a blinder but at the same time I think we partly benefit from some disasterous missteps by India

On paper India should have played the role of mediator. Large importer of oil/LNG, biggest navy in the region by far, US strategic ally, and investor in Iran's Chahbar port. They f**ked it all up massively

1) Pissing off Trump after May 7th last year
2) Spying on the Qatari sub programme for Israel
3) Visiting Israel 2 days prior to attack and all the "Motherland" "Fatherland" BS
4) Siding so closely with UAE

A 12 year old could have been more deft at diplomacy here. All of the above managed to piss off the US, Iranians, Saudis and Qataris all at once. That actually takes some doing.

Amazed Jaishanker still has a job but guess Modi wants to keep him close by as he is a potential rival for BJP Leadership

 

[Master Chief]

Honestly we played a blinder but at the same time I think we partly benefit from some disasterous missteps by India

On paper India should have played the role of mediator. Large importer of oil/LNG, biggest navy in the region by far, US strategic ally, and investor in Iran's Chahbar port. They f**ked it all up massively

1) Pissing off Trump after May 7th last year
2) Spying on the Qatari sub programme for Israel
3) Visiting Israel 2 days prior to attack and all the "Motherland" "Fatherland" BS
4) Siding so closely with UAE

A 12 year old could have been more deft at diplomacy here. All of the above managed to piss off the US, Iranians, Saudis and Qataris all at once. That actually takes some doing.

Amazed Jaishanker still has a job but guess Modi wants to keep him close by as he is a potential rival for BJP Leadership

Great points!

At the same time, India probably assumed Israel-US would have a simple walkover in this conflict.

Indians are quite naturally in a state of perpetual denial that any Persian (or Persianised) regional power can actually go toe to toe with any opponent in the world. They would know better if they didn't delete Mughal history from their school books.

 

[unconventional]

He's a freeloading punk who behaves like a simple opportunist. He is only changing his tune because Iran and Hezb are winning. Nothing remotely intelligent about him.

Well, as someone who was very skeptical of him before, and viewed him as a hardcore, irredeemable militant (due to his previous leadership roles in AQI, ISIS and Al Nusra); I think my opinion of him has shifted a bit.

This is my new view of him.

I think he wants to be in Trump’s good books. I also think he is “controlled” by the Turks.

He knows that Syria faces many challenges, economic, political and security related. His country has issues of territorial integrity, with the Israelis occupying large swathes of south western Syria; and then challenges from the SDF as well. Despite trying to be in Trump’s good books, Syria economically is still in dire straits.

In this situation, it would be very difficult starting a direct military conflict against Hezbollah in Lebanon. Iran might have also opened up some unofficial channels with Syria via Turkey, to smuggle some arms into Lebanon (Hezbollah) via Syria in exchange of Iranian money (or other arrangements).

So my updated view is that he on a personal level might not be the ideologue that I thought he was, which is a good thing. Some people who work under him in his regime might be repressive within their own country, but for now, he personally seems to be in control in Syria.

He is most definitely an opportunist, but in politics, I think you expect opportunism as a norm from everyone. It’s just the nature of politics. It will be interesting to see what role he plays if Trump convinces him to tackle Hezbollah, and asks Israel to wind down its operations in Lebanon.

 

[Yasser76]

Great points!

At the same time, India probably assumed Israel-US would have a simple walkover in this conflict.

Indians are quite naturally in a state of perpetual denial that any Persian (or Persianised) regional power can actually go toe to toe with any opponent in the world. They would know better if they didn't delete Mughal history from their school books.

Yup, crazy thing is out of pure hate for Pakistan they are happy to spite themselves. It is insane. Pak diplomacy means cheaper oil in India, we could happilly open our air space and let Air India fly over, with Iran oil sanctions lifted cheaper oil and gas can go through pipeline from Iran to India via Pakistan. Instead of grabbing these opportunities what do they do?

Threaten to cut of water to Pak.

Honestly, will never understand their mentality. The more I think about it of they were not a Hindu country and they were Muslim or Chinese they would act more rationally

 

[Master Chief]

Well, as someone who was very skeptical of him before, and viewed him as a hardcore, irredeemable militant (due to his previous leadership roles in AQI, ISIS and Al Nusra); I think my opinion of him has shifted a bit.

This is my new view of him.

I think he wants to be in Trump’s good books. I also think he is “controlled” by the Turks.

He knows that Syria faces many challenges, economic, political and security related. His country has issues of territorial integrity, with the Israelis occupying large swathes of south western Syria; and then challenges from the SDF as well. Despite trying to be in Trump’s good books, Syria economically is still in dire straits.

In this situation, it would be very difficult starting a direct military conflict against Hezbollah in Lebanon. Iran might have also opened up some unofficial channels with Syria via Turkey, to smuggle some arms into Lebanon (Hezbollah) via Syria in exchange of Iranian money (or other arrangements).

So my updated view is that he on a personal level might not be the ideologue that I thought he was, which is a good thing. Some people who work under him in his regime might be repressive within their own country, but for now, he personally seems to be in control in Syria.

He might definitely be an opportunist, but in politics, I think you expect opportunism as a norm from everyone. It’s just the nature of politics. It will be interesting to see what role he plays if Trump convinces him to tackle Hezbollah, and asks Israel to wind down its operations in Lebanon.

Nothing you've said here contradicts what I said about him. He's a sly and opportunistic weasel, as many "Islamist messiahs" are. He is no different in his opportunism to the Kurds or the Pahlavists.

Such people don't build empires for the benefit of their subjects but instead fleece everyone they can for their own personal gain.

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

I think EU system wont never be extended, because EU take USA orders. ...

EU countries has all the European countries as members that want to be part of the EU system.

It's not a demand or request on any European country to join the block.

In one decade maybe whole world will be using Chinese payment systems. ...

No chance.

Chinese payment system still relies on SWIFT.

The non-Western world can only breakaway from the Western financial systems if they have a secure messaging service like SWIFT.

Most people are under the impression that China's CIPS is that system that could replace SWIFT. However, CIPS is mainly used for clearing payments in Chinese currency and not dollar payments.

China's CIPS and Russia's SPFS are the only two partial alternatives to SWIFT, while a full replacement to SWIFT does not exist.

 

[unconventional]

Honestly, will never understand their mentality. The more I think about it of they were not a Hindu country and they were Muslim or Chinese they would act more rationally

Not sure about that, look at how the Taliban in Afghanistan are behaving right now.

 

[Immortals]

 

[unconventional]

Nothing you've said here contradicts what I said about him. He's a sly and opportunistic weasel, as many "Islamist messiahs" are. He is no different in his opportunism to the Kurds or the Pahlavists.

Such people don't build empires for the benefit of their subjects but instead fleece everyone they can for their own personal gain.

I guess what I’m saying is that I don’t think I’m looking to contradict your post.

But I am trying to provide a more nuanced position of who he is.

I’m glad he is an opportunist, because it is better than having an opportunist at the helm than a hardcore sectarian ideologue.

It means you cannot trust him about anything, but you can most certainly bribe him to work with you.

 

[Immortals]

 

[ParthianLord]

yea the "Iranian Super Drone" is described as this by US pilots

Not first time US officials / Army claimed Iran has "Alien like" Drone technology

here the CNN interview with the "Pilot"

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/06/23/politics/iran-drones-f-15-pilot-intelligence

 

[tsunset]

yea the "Iranian Super Drone" is described as this by US pilots

Not first time US officials / Army claimed Iran has "Alien like" Drone technology

here the CNN interview with the "Pilot"

https://edition.cnn.com/2026/06/23/politics/iran-drones-f-15-pilot-intelligence

Also probable that he just saw something that did not exist, he was shot down two times in just a month, his brain was and is not working optimally

 

[Meengla]

On paper India should have played the role of mediator. Large importer of oil/LNG, biggest navy in the region by far, US strategic ally, and investor in Iran's Chahbar port. They f**ked it all up massively
1) Pissing off Trump after May 7th last year
2) Spying on the Qatari sub programme for Israel
3) Visiting Israel 2 days prior to attack and all the "Motherland" "Fatherland" BS
4) Siding so closely with UAE

Good post. And of all those points, #3 was a totally unnecessary diplomatic disaster!

And the Indian foreign policy disasters were happening even before this war when during the recent Israel-Gaza war, Indians refused to condemn Israel and in fact agreed to send thousands of Indian workers to Israel to replace the Palestinians. That was noticed by anti-war Western analysts and India started to be looked at closely. Look at what Jackson Hinkle started to say about India then.
Also the June 2025 war on Iran where India, again, didn't name Israel to condemn Israel; I am sure the Iranians had noticed that then.

It is a shame that in a 'democracy' like India, people like their FM Jaishankar keeps holding on to his job.