Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[hussain0216]

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[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

US strike is just a show to assure gulf we wnt leave you alone . its assurance that we are with you. i think both parties come to their senses . nobody wants a bloody war again

Not really... Iran caught on to perpetual breaking of any negotiations or talks... Orange has his niche like any other shyster... push the baloney through while talking to give it right of passage. He did decapitation strikes twice during talks... right now Iran is catching on... because Orange wants a parallel setup within 60 days and launch by default... building facts while they speak!!!
Never underestimate the devious nature of a conman. He's also simultaneously running parallel policy points via JD and Rubio... both are running on different tracks... while he plays quarterback.
This was unexpected for him because he assumed he'd established a new norm... now that norm is getting thwarted systematically... Rubio made certain promises and he left out Saudis...
Going forward you'll see the full picture...as they plot Emirates to crown the gulf and try to isolate Saudis... either Bin Salman learns to live with the new regime or he works to counter it. Time will tell.
Iran in the meantime has its work cut out as finding a niche is harder than achieving early seeming success. They'll have to keep elbows out to find their way and keep catching on as orange keep plotting.

 

[lightning f57]

And the Crusades and many other conflicts over the course of human history.
His trolling boils down to human beings being some robots without emotions and thus the ad nauseum 'No permanent friends in geopolitics' blah blah.

I remember Bush and Blair using their Christian religious reasons to invade Iraq, bush even called it a crusade.

Religion plays a big role in international politics. Ask the rapture waiting evangelicals!

 

[Watandar]

Yes, this is true.
Italy did assist the US in attacking Iran by providing them with logistics. It's been on the news for a couple of days.

The largest US bases in Europe are in the UK, Germany and Italy. They are always heavily involved in any European or Mideast related operations.

 

[925boy]

Sounds like the stary of the process of the transfer of GCCs acceptance of regional hegemony from US to Iran. GCC feels exposed, unprotected and helpless. when Ukraine is almost exhausted and done, it'll probably also enter "serious negotiations"with Russia.

 

[Pakistani Dragon]

@maverick @lightning f57 - this!!! Is the reason Iran could enter a military alliance with Pakistan - Islamim combined with a strong sense of self confidence and independence!! As things are currently ,Iran will never join any alliance with Turkey,because it is NATO controlled and will become a Trojan against Iran if turkey and Iran formed any military alliance. similar with Saudia- it's too integrated into US military architecture, for heaven sakes it was providing logistics for US attacks on iran- until Saudia learns to be and act independently, Iran will never join any military alliance (let's forget their low competence that won't hell Iran either). Egypt is also too much under US influence and control for Iran to form any alliance with them.

Why in the world would Pakistan ever want a military alliance with Iran? Are the Iranians willing to fight wars alongside Pakistan against India and Afghanistan?

Just in case you've missed it, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia agreed to a Defence Pact in September 2025. So that's that.

On top of that, Iran has repeatedly called for a regional security architecture after Qatar was attacked by Israel. Meaning Iran wants a security pact with all regional countries that includes Egypt, Western Asia, Pakistan and Central Asia.

it's naive and confusing that some people think being Muslim and geographically located in the ME alone will qualify countries to be in a super Islamic military alliance. It's a lot more complex and ideological than that. With the decline of the US and Israel, the Western allied Muslim countries are more of a liability to other Muslim countries and could easily crumble in the near future - be warned.

It is this this childish Iranian mindset that has lead to Iran being bombed by 2 countries in 2 years. It is hoping that Islamistan should be "Iranian allied".

Better grow up.

Iran's Government has definitely learnt it's lesson and it's looking at the new reality but it's people are yet to have their software updated post Khamenei's assassination.

 

[tsunset]

Why in the world would Pakistan ever want a military alliance with Iran? Are the Iranians willing to fight wars alongside Pakistan against India and Afghanistan?

Just in case you've missed it, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia agreed to a Defence Pact in September 2025. So that's that.

On top of that, Iran has repeatedly called for a regional security architecture after Qatar was attacked by Israel. Meaning Iran wants a security pact with all regional countries that includes Egypt, Western Asia, Pakistan and Central Asia.


It is this this childish Iranian mindset that has lead to Iran being bombed by 2 countries in 2 years. It is hoping that Islamistan should be "Iranian allied".

Better grow up.

Iran's Government has definitely learnt it's lesson and it's looking at the new reality but it's people are yet to have their software updated post Khamenei's assassination.

Iran and Pakistan together can Regime-Change India in a couple of weeks with Indian Freedom Fighters help

They cannot do so with Saudi Arabia and their contractor army

 

[Watandar]

Iran and Pakistan together can Regime-Change India in a couple of weeks with Indian Freedom Fighters help

Your $hitposts keep going to new levels daily.

 

[Flotilla]

Iran's Government has definitely learnt it's lesson and it's looking at the new reality but it's people are yet to have their software updated post Khamenei's assassination

Considering that Irán alone, without nuclear weapons and no shinny and fancy Air force like Pakistanese one has succeed to kick out the butt americans and israelis from Persian Gulf, they're can suggest new realities.

The cake has ben cut by iranians... Don't hide It. Like VCheng said just wait and see...

 

[tsunset]

Your $hitposts keep going to new levels daily.

So what Pakistan gains on a military perspective with the Saudi defense pact?

What will Saudi Arabia do if Pakistan is attacked? They will send their Sudanese mercenaries and backdoored F-15s to protect Pakistan? They will ask Americans to launch Patriot interceptors as MRLS to defend Pakistan?

This is a one sided pact on a military perspective

 

[Meengla]

Seriously?

You didn't say the dumbest thing online today, right!

You're living a world CONSTRUCTED AROUND RELIGION!
You have the menace of Mideast that has poured over from Europe that reconciles it's theft in theology. You have Arab sheikhdoms constructed around Vali Al-Amr! You have Iran around Vilayet-e-Faqih... You have British crown serving as the Supreme Governor of the Church of England and Fidei Defensor! You have catholic church running a parallel government across the world under the separation of church and state from Vatican, collecting proceeds, running schools, hospitals, bank etc...
A Hindu revisionist rashtra seeking control of the region... Russia as New Rome and of Orthodox Church.
People mask their beliefs under secular rubric... to often hide true intent. It is widely common in Europe and North America. People and states do and align themselves overwhelmingly with their theology or repurpose it when inconvenient. Everyone therefore is running it's own agenda... where some find traction others lose sight... even small sects harbor ideals of grandeur and global reach. This is foundational for many who spend lifetime keeping their head down in keeping up with the ideals of their creed...

This was one of your best posts!

 

[Meengla]

Religion plays a big role in international politics. Ask the rapture waiting evangelicals!

Oh the Rapture! Believe me there is a truck parked a bare ten minute walk from my house with a big announcement about an incoming Rapture and the dates for that auspicious event keeps getting changed. I should a picture of that while hiding the license plate. The residence is next to a church.
These people are the Taliban in Tuxedoes! But that would be insulting even the Taliban who really don't seek the destruction of the world.

 

[Meengla]

Considering that Irán alone, without nuclear weapons and no shinny and fancy Air force like Pakistanese one has succeed to kick out the butt americans and israelis from Persian Gulf, they're can suggest new realities.
The cake has ben cut by iranians... Don't hide It. Like VCheng said just wait and see...

Not taking away from Iran's recent gains in this war, Iran has also squandered generations of wealth and prosperity given its potentials: It is large landmass country, with a large population, with huge natural and human resources. Iran could have been THE Superpower of the Middle East with right policies decades ago. But it is far from that, mainly due to its regional policies. That Iran is getting the sympathy in the global discourse is mainly because it is the only one putting its neck out for the hapless Palestinians--a policy which many Iranians despise.

As to Pakistan, the country was born with very low human resources, was facing a giant, more prosperous India from day one since 1947. Pakistan may have the potentials in natural resources but it is overpopulated with poor human resources to exploit the potentials and on top of that Pakistanis face a giant threat from India. Iran has no such neighbors. Two very different countries despite much shared.

 

[BHAN85]

Oh the Rapture! Believe me there is a truck parked a bare ten minute walk from my house with a big announcement about an incoming Rapture and the dates for that auspicious event keeps getting changed. I should a picture of that while hiding the license plate. The residence is next to a church.
These people are the Taliban in Tuxedoes! But that would be insulting even the Taliban who really don't seek the destruction of the world.

In Spain, when American movies and tv shows are dubbed, usually rapture is translated to "judgement day" or something like that.

Because even being Spain a Christian country almost nobody knows what is the Rapture.

It's a strange concept of evangelical churches extracted from bible.

In Catholicism Christianity doomsday is a bad moment, of collective punishment, disaster day.

But evangelical churches, in a more individual view, that day could be wonderful if you individually are saved, even when rest of world is burning in death and pain .

A strange view for Christianity where love each other is second more important rule, after love to God.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Not taking away from Iran's recent gains in this war, Iran has also squandered generations of wealth and prosperity given its potentials: It is large landmass country, with a large population, with huge natural and human resources. Iran could have been THE Superpower of the Middle East with right policies decades ago. But it is far from that, mainly due to its regional policies. That Iran is getting the sympathy in the global discourse is mainly because it is the only one putting its neck out for the hapless Palestinians--a policy which many Iranians despise.

As to Pakistan, the country was born with very low human resources, was facing a giant, more prosperous India from day one since 1947. Pakistan may have the potentials in natural resources but it is overpopulated with poor human resources to exploit the potentials and on top of that Pakistanis face a giant threat from India. Iran has no such neighbors. Two very different countries despite much shared.

I don't think Iran would have ever been allowed to achieve its full potential because Iran refuses to submit to the west in controlling it, in the same way the Arab world has willingly submitted to the west.

I don't think it has to do with Palestine (well, not much but partially) but more to do with the fact that the west has been trying to install various puppets over time in Iran to try and "control it", and Iran has been resisting that control. Iranians have a very long and product history as an independent nation that goes goes as far as the Chinese in terms of history.