JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[maxpane]

Range close to 200 km

sir is it tot of pl15 ?

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... Remember the very first batch that PAF received was of 08 units. ...

Five were 07 and three were 08.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

The fact that he has to make an entire thread on that shows humility is far far far from his mind.

Hazrat Sahib is a student of the Late Khafee. He had an entire forum built to entertain PAF fantasies.

 

[Reichmarshal]

sir is it tot of pl15 ?

itva venture with Turkey

 

[ziaulislam]

Engines have been a curse on the entire JF17 programme from the outset.

Originally when the Super-7 project was not giving what the PAF wanted, they came up with the FC-1 design and at that time they approached the Russians for the Saturn AL-31 series of engines to power the FC-1.

This would have given a platform far closer to the F16 than what it is now. India was successful in convincing Russia to not supply the Saturn AL-31, and instead the Russians only authorized the RD-93 series for the project. This was unfortunate as a JF17 with the Saturn AL-31 would have been a beast.

Unfortunately the internet forgets, and I am recalling this from memory from the time at the inflection point between the Super-7 and FC-1 programmes and the discussions at the time on the internet.

(happy to be wrong if my memory is giving out on this fact!)

Not true, al-31 was too big, we were making a mig21 not a f16. Name was super7 not f16 super

Rd93 was still light years ahead of anything paf had except the f16s. We had f6, and other ancient aircrafts

Jf17 wqs suppose to come in service by early 2000s and last till 2030 to support f16s. Its already done that

 

[SBD-3]

A long range BVR missile with an IIR seaker for terminal guidance operating under a multi-domain combat environment is the stuff of nightmares for the IAF pilots...

It's an interesting concept to develop a BVR missile with an IR seeker. However, the limiting factor is that the JF-17 doesn't have an IRST, so it can't fully exploit such a missile while remaining radar silent. The J-10CP does have an IRST, although its performance is classified.

Datalink support can certainly help with target cueing. That said, unlike the PL-15, which can receive mid-course guidance updates, I don't know whether FAAZ has a comparable capability. Since it's reportedly derived from the PL-12, which lacked two-way datalink guidance, it's unclear whether FAAZ has addressed that limitation.

 

[Ali_Baba]

It's an interesting concept to develop a BVR missile with an IR seeker. However, the limiting factor is that the JF-17 doesn't have an IRST, so it can't fully exploit such a missile while remaining radar silent

The value of the missile is in a multi domain setup. I am not aware of any IRST that can true at the range of a long range BVR anyway.

We have seen specs of both RF and IIR variants from PAF so they see some value in the approach.

Datalink support can certainly help with target cueing. That said, unlike the PL-15, which can receive mid-course guidance updates, I don't know whether FAAZ has a comparable capability. Since it's reportedly derived from the PL-12, which lacked two-way datalink guidance, it's unclear whether FAAZ has addressed that limitation.

Given it is in developmen currently they can add that capability.

 

[Pakistan First]

Jf17 wqs suppose to come in service by early 2000s and last till 2030 to support f16s. Its already done that

True. It was the original plan but PAF cancelled that plan long ago.

That original plan was made when JF-17s were on drawing boards. By then JF-17s were meant only to replace all legacy fighters F-6, F-7, A-5s etc. But, In early 2010s PAF dramatically increased the scope of JFT program. PAF changed the scope of JFT program from replacement of legacy fighters to a modern cost-effective 4 & 4.5-gen multirole workhorse. Nobody in late-90s had envisioned newer blocks of JFTs with AESA radars to be built in 2020s. That "till 2030" plan was already changed/evolved much earlier in the journey. Obviously Block-IIIs being produced in 2020s won't go anywhere for next 25+ years. This evolving story is not unique with Jeffs.

F-15s were designed initially for a service life of about 4,000 flight hours (roughly 20-25 years), with the expectation that it would be completely phased out by the late 1990s or early 2000s. It was primarily designed to replace F-4s.

Similar case with the F-16s designed for an initial lifespan of about 8,000 flight hours. To be phased out till 2000s.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Alright so I have just written a paper on JF-17 using archives of year books of MoD and MoDP. And here's an interesting summary that I Wana share with you

All platforms from JF-17B onwards are manufactured using 3D manufacturing. The yearbooks take note of the challenges of manufacturing of Block I and Block II but now the quality of manufacturing is top-notch. Remember that the first JF-17 crash was due to structural failure. And all the incidents so far have been of platforms manufactured on older technique.

Secondly JF-17B is going to be the AFU workhorse of PAF. And perhaps that's why PAF hasn't purchased any new advanced fighter trainer.

Why does it say twin engine?