JF-17 - Updates, News & Discussion

[maxpane]

Range close to 200 km

sir is it tot of pl15 ?

 

[ghazi52]

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

... Remember the very first batch that PAF received was of 08 units. ...

Five were 07 and three were 08.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

The fact that he has to make an entire thread on that shows humility is far far far from his mind.

Hazrat Sahib is a student of the Late Khafee. He had an entire forum built to entertain PAF fantasies.

 

[Reichmarshal]

sir is it tot of pl15 ?

itva venture with Turkey

 

[ziaulislam]

Engines have been a curse on the entire JF17 programme from the outset.

Originally when the Super-7 project was not giving what the PAF wanted, they came up with the FC-1 design and at that time they approached the Russians for the Saturn AL-31 series of engines to power the FC-1.

This would have given a platform far closer to the F16 than what it is now. India was successful in convincing Russia to not supply the Saturn AL-31, and instead the Russians only authorized the RD-93 series for the project. This was unfortunate as a JF17 with the Saturn AL-31 would have been a beast.

Unfortunately the internet forgets, and I am recalling this from memory from the time at the inflection point between the Super-7 and FC-1 programmes and the discussions at the time on the internet.

(happy to be wrong if my memory is giving out on this fact!)

Not true, al-31 was too big, we were making a mig21 not a f16. Name was super7 not f16 super

Rd93 was still light years ahead of anything paf had except the f16s. We had f6, and other ancient aircrafts

Jf17 wqs suppose to come in service by early 2000s and last till 2030 to support f16s. Its already done that

 

[SBD-3]

A long range BVR missile with an IIR seaker for terminal guidance operating under a multi-domain combat environment is the stuff of nightmares for the IAF pilots...

It's an interesting concept to develop a BVR missile with an IR seeker. However, the limiting factor is that the JF-17 doesn't have an IRST, so it can't fully exploit such a missile while remaining radar silent. The J-10CP does have an IRST, although its performance is classified.

Datalink support can certainly help with target cueing. That said, unlike the PL-15, which can receive mid-course guidance updates, I don't know whether FAAZ has a comparable capability. Since it's reportedly derived from the PL-12, which lacked two-way datalink guidance, it's unclear whether FAAZ has addressed that limitation.

 

[Ali_Baba]

It's an interesting concept to develop a BVR missile with an IR seeker. However, the limiting factor is that the JF-17 doesn't have an IRST, so it can't fully exploit such a missile while remaining radar silent

The value of the missile is in a multi domain setup. I am not aware of any IRST that can true at the range of a long range BVR anyway.

We have seen specs of both RF and IIR variants from PAF so they see some value in the approach.

Datalink support can certainly help with target cueing. That said, unlike the PL-15, which can receive mid-course guidance updates, I don't know whether FAAZ has a comparable capability. Since it's reportedly derived from the PL-12, which lacked two-way datalink guidance, it's unclear whether FAAZ has addressed that limitation.

Given it is in developmen currently they can add that capability.