Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Meengla]

Religion plays a big role in international politics. Ask the rapture waiting evangelicals!

Oh the Rapture! Believe me there is a truck parked a bare ten minute walk from my house with a big announcement about an incoming Rapture and the dates for that auspicious event keeps getting changed. I should a picture of that while hiding the license plate. The residence is next to a church.
These people are the Taliban in Tuxedoes! But that would be insulting even the Taliban who really don't seek the destruction of the world.

 

[Meengla]

Considering that Irán alone, without nuclear weapons and no shinny and fancy Air force like Pakistanese one has succeed to kick out the butt americans and israelis from Persian Gulf, they're can suggest new realities.
The cake has ben cut by iranians... Don't hide It. Like VCheng said just wait and see...

Not taking away from Iran's recent gains in this war, Iran has also squandered generations of wealth and prosperity given its potentials: It is large landmass country, with a large population, with huge natural and human resources. Iran could have been THE Superpower of the Middle East with right policies decades ago. But it is far from that, mainly due to its regional policies. That Iran is getting the sympathy in the global discourse is mainly because it is the only one putting its neck out for the hapless Palestinians--a policy which many Iranians despise.

As to Pakistan, the country was born with very low human resources, was facing a giant, more prosperous India from day one since 1947. Pakistan may have the potentials in natural resources but it is overpopulated with poor human resources to exploit the potentials and on top of that Pakistanis face a giant threat from India. Iran has no such neighbors. Two very different countries despite much shared.

 

[BHAN85]

Oh the Rapture! Believe me there is a truck parked a bare ten minute walk from my house with a big announcement about an incoming Rapture and the dates for that auspicious event keeps getting changed. I should a picture of that while hiding the license plate. The residence is next to a church.
These people are the Taliban in Tuxedoes! But that would be insulting even the Taliban who really don't seek the destruction of the world.

In Spain, when American movies and tv shows are dubbed, usually rapture is translated to "judgement day" or something like that.

Because even being Spain a Christian country almost nobody knows what is the Rapture.

It's a strange concept of evangelical churches extracted from bible.

In Catholicism Christianity doomsday is a bad moment, of collective punishment, disaster day.

But evangelical churches, in a more individual view, that day could be wonderful if you individually are saved, even when rest of world is burning in death and pain .

A strange view for Christianity where love each other is second more important rule, after love to God.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Not taking away from Iran's recent gains in this war, Iran has also squandered generations of wealth and prosperity given its potentials: It is large landmass country, with a large population, with huge natural and human resources. Iran could have been THE Superpower of the Middle East with right policies decades ago. But it is far from that, mainly due to its regional policies. That Iran is getting the sympathy in the global discourse is mainly because it is the only one putting its neck out for the hapless Palestinians--a policy which many Iranians despise.

As to Pakistan, the country was born with very low human resources, was facing a giant, more prosperous India from day one since 1947. Pakistan may have the potentials in natural resources but it is overpopulated with poor human resources to exploit the potentials and on top of that Pakistanis face a giant threat from India. Iran has no such neighbors. Two very different countries despite much shared.

I don't think Iran would have ever been allowed to achieve its full potential because Iran refuses to submit to the west in controlling it, in the same way the Arab world has willingly submitted to the west.

I don't think it has to do with Palestine (well, not much but partially) but more to do with the fact that the west has been trying to install various puppets over time in Iran to try and "control it", and Iran has been resisting that control. Iranians have a very long and product history as an independent nation that goes goes as far as the Chinese in terms of history.

 

[ShotErrorKh]

In Spain, when American movies and tv shows are dubbed, usually rapture is translated to "judgement day" or something like that.

Because even being Spain a Christian country almost nobody knows what is the Rapture.

It's a strange concept of evangelical churches extracted from bible.

In Catholicism Christianity doomsday is a bad moment, of collective punishment, disaster day.

But evangelical churches, in a more individual view, that day could be wonderful if you individually are saved, even when rest of world is burning in death and pain .

A strange view for Christianity where love each other is second more important rule, after love to God.

It was a niche literary interpretation of a specific verse from the bible noone paid attention to until the 90s when the Left Behind novel series made it mainstream lmao

 

[RedRock]

Has the following video been shared before. Does anyone know if it's true or complete BS

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[lightning f57]

I don't think Iran would have ever been allowed to achieve its full potential because Iran refuses to submit to the west in controlling it, in the same way the Arab world has willingly submitted to the west.

I don't think it has to do with Palestine (well, not much but partially) but more to do with the fact that the west has been trying to install various puppets over time in Iran to try and "control it", and Iran has been resisting that control. Iranians have a very long and product history as an independent nation that goes goes as far as the Chinese in terms of history.

Post WW the west was still very powerful, especially militarily and countries that they saw useful that followed their lead were partnered with and business was done especially to vastly benefit western nations. Countries that stepped out of line had their democratic elected government's toppled, like Irans in the 50s.

One has to ask would a powerful block or nation allow competition if it does not benefit it.

Irans population, literacy, industry, natural resources would make it a major world power had it been left alone and its people chosen their leaders. We are talking stronger than likes of Germany and France but war, corruption, subjugation and many other factors has held Iran down.

 

[marco-polo]

Did Italy actually assist the US in attacking Iran?

Where is @ShapurII to confirm this?

I believe he lives in Italy so should be best placed to know about this controversy started by that daddy’s boy Rutte:

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I don’t just live in Italy; I’m Italian. And things are a bit more complicated than that.
There are agreements, some of which are secret (known only to the Prime Minister, the Minister of Defence, the Chief of the General Staff and the President of the Republic); those that are public state that the Italian government cannot grant the use of NATO bases (which are technically American bases on Italian soil) for a direct attack without first seeking parliamentary approval. And since the war between the US and Iran did not involve NATO and is, in fact, a violation of international law, it never even came to a formal American request that would have required a vote. The US was only able to use those bases for technical and logistical support only.

 

[Wingzero30]

Oh the Rapture! Believe me there is a truck parked a bare ten minute walk from my house with a big announcement about an incoming Rapture and the dates for that auspicious event keeps getting changed. I should a picture of that while hiding the license plate. The residence is next to a church.
These people are the Taliban in Tuxedoes! But that would be insulting even the Taliban who really don't seek the destruction of the world.

It's partly because of these nutcases that the evil entity keeps getting green pass and blank checks to commit further genocide.

 

[marco-polo]

In Spain, when American movies and tv shows are dubbed, usually rapture is translated to "judgement day" or something like that.

Because even being Spain a Christian country almost nobody knows what is the Rapture.

It's a strange concept of evangelical churches extracted from bible.

In Catholicism Christianity doomsday is a bad moment, of collective punishment, disaster day.

But evangelical churches, in a more individual view, that day could be wonderful if you individually are saved, even when rest of world is burning in death and pain .

A strange view for Christianity where love each other is second more important rule, after love to God.

Catholics find it extremely difficult to regard Evangelicals as Christians. They constantly quote only the Old Testament, as if they were Jews, but in a way that horrifies both Catholics and non-fanatical Jews.

 

[El Sidd]

Religious discussions are against forum rules.

 

[fitpOsitive]

@all
A silly thought hit my mind. May be it's absolute rubbish, but if it worked, it will be a master stroke for Pakistan.

Pipeline from Iran is still incomplete. USA is not allowing to complete it. If Iran closes Persian Gulf for some, let's say 2 more months, USA may allow the completion of this pipeline. We can give the major contract to USAs companies and push Iran to sell oil for dollars. This will be a win for every party involved in current conflict ( USA , Iran, Arabs, China and Pakistan).
Then Pakistan can also bring oil and gas lines from central Asia to kpk and again contracts may go to Europeans companies. Gawader will remain Pakistan. And possibly Kashmir will also become Pakistan.

It's something we must hurry to make it happen.

 

[Meengla]

I don't think Iran would have ever been allowed to achieve its full potential because Iran refuses to submit to the west in controlling it, in the same way the Arab world has willingly submitted to the west.
I don't think it has to do with Palestine (well, not much but partially) but more to do with the fact that the west has been trying to install various puppets over time in Iran to try and "control it", and Iran has been resisting that control. Iranians have a very long and product history as an independent nation that goes goes as far as the Chinese in terms of history.

I differ. The hostility to Iran started after the 1979 Iranian Revolution where the Iranian state started its regional policies, especially about Israel. If Iran had remained confined to its own borders in prosperity then it would have been different. Also, the Israelis were not always the nasty version of Israel that it has become since Netanyahu's rise in the 90s: There was a strong Israeli Left which believed in the Ben Gurion doctrine of staying within Israel's borders. Even the expansion into the West Bank was minimal until Netanyahu's 'Clean Break' doctrine of the 90s started.
Israel may have become the monolith expansionist Messianic country now but it was not always like that till Netanyahu's rise. But in a way you are not wrong: The Israel since the 90s wouldn't allow any local power to rise.

 

[Meengla]

Then Pakistan can also bring oil and gas lines from central Asia to kpk and again contracts may go to Europeans companies. Gawader will remain Pakistan. And possibly Kashmir will also become Pakistan.

Speaking of Kashmir: Did anyone notice that recently the Pakistani and the Chinese UNSC diplomats suggested that all UNSC Resolutions to be followed. Pakistan is likely to be using its risen stature to use the UNSC against India over the Indus Water Treaty and over the UNSC Resolutions on Kashmir. India stands very vulnerable because India can no longer count on a Russian Veto in UNSC and the other three powers (USA, UK, and France) are going to be on the same side where the Americans would be. And right now, the Pakistan-USA relations are the best since the Nixon Presidency.

 

[Ali_Baba]

I differ. The hostility to Iran started after the 1979 Iranian Revolution where the Iranian state started its regional policies, especially about Israel. If Iran had remained confined to its own borders in prosperity then it would have been different. Also, the Israelis were not always the nasty version of Israel that it has become since Netanyahu's rise in the 90s: There was a strong Israeli Left which believed in the Ben Gurion doctrine of staying within Israel's borders. Even the expansion into the West Bank was minimal until Netanyahu's 'Clean Break' doctrine of the 90s started.
Israel may have become the monolith expansionist Messianic country now but it was not always like that till Netanyahu's rise. But in a way you are not wrong: The Israel since the 90s wouldn't allow any local power to rise.

I differ(and it is ok to differ) but I think it started when the CIA/MI5 over throw the Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in 1953 and replaced him with the very very brutal regime of the Shah.

1953 Iranian coup d'état - Wikipedia

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