Israel is itching to go to war with Turkiye and Egypt

[MMM-E]

I agree Isreal has a lot of American support and Turkiye is very powerful militarily and have bright future with domestic defense capabilities but hard reality is if tomorrow on 2nd July 2026 Isreal attacks Turkiye then things look bleek for Turkiye.....

Israel is not a military power to match with Turkiye one on one

Israel is not USA
They have only 75 F-35s , nothing else special


Could Israel win by attacking Türkiye ?
No, it would only harm some targets in Türkiye.


If Israel's air defenses are destroyed by 15.000 kamikaze drones, there will be no Israeli air force

and Israel will become a lame duck without airforce

then, if 1 million soldiers enter Israel via Syria, even the USA won't be able to save Israel in a long term - large scale of war


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Turkiye is not Iran

From Turkiye to İsrael is just 500 km
Turkiye has strong Navy and Air Force and well trained Soldiers with modern NATO doctrine

When Turkish WRATH thermobaric-tipped Ballistic Missiles and Bombs explode over their heads, they'll understand what real war is.

 

[Nimble]

I can say Israel may last longer against Egypt due to lack in Air power but Turkiye ? its not even a fight, Israel will threat Turkiye with nukes within a week of full scale war, Iran was launching missiles and it took USA/Israel/UK/France and Arab allies to protect that tiny entity, take that US backing away and it all crumbling down like a house of cards. If I had a US like super power backing me, giving me diplomatic cover, along with EU then even a weaker country will become bold enough to launch daring attacks on neighbors, because they know that if push comes to shove they will call daddy America, and America will send their A/C groups to scare anyone off.
If Turkiye decided to build their own nukes like 50-100 Warheads then its Over for Israel cause their only blackmail for the region is nukes aka their Sampson option.

Egypt has far more chances to stand strong against Israel compared to Turkiye.....

Egypt directly borders Isreal through Sinai and hence any major Egyptian air attack will be a huge blow to Isreal as Israel is very small area..... all loitering munitions, stormshadows and other similar missiles will have to cross very little distance to cover.... even Egyptian fighters can engage Isreal's fighters without Meteor or AMARAAM.... due to Egypt close proximity Isreal will have a very less breathing space....

Egyptian deadly huge M1, M2 and T90 fleet will make life miserable for Israel forces.... drones will not be enough as Egyptian side too will be using drones..... so this close proximity with Egypt is actually a big problem for Israel.... there is a reason Israel put conditions in peace treaty with Egypt that Egypt cannot maintain heavy military in Sinai so they have some breathing space....

Turkiye on the other hand is far away compared to Egypt and doesn't share borders with Israel and any Turkish air strike or naval strike coming gives ample time or breathing space to Israel to detect and plan counter strategy... it's just like Iran firing missiles towards it from distance which gave them plenty of time to protect themselves....

Apart from this Turkish entire airforce is American made and only modern jet is F16 which can be sabotaged by America in case of war with Israel... F4 can be a used only for defense so with F16 Sofas, F15 RAAM, F35 Adirs and awesome Awacs capabilities Israel will have a Turkey shoot over Turkey....

If Israel Turkiye war starts this or next year then only God can protect Turkiye....

 

[Dalit]

Egypt has far more chances to stand strong against Israel compared to Turkiye.....

Egypt directly borders Isreal through Sinai and hence any major Egyptian air attack will be a huge blow to Isreal as Israel is very small area..... all loitering munitions, stormshadows and other similar missiles will have to cross very little distance to cover.... even Egyptian fighters can engage Isreal's fighters without Meteor or AMARAAM.... due to Egypt close proximity Isreal will have a very less breathing space....

Egyptian deadly huge M1, M2 and T90 fleet will make life miserable for Israel forces.... drones will not be enough as Egyptian side too will be using drones..... so this close proximity with Egypt is actually a big problem for Israel.... there is a reason Israel put conditions in peace treaty with Egypt that Egypt cannot maintain heavy military in Sinai so they have some breathing space....

Turkiye on the other hand is far away compared to Egypt and doesn't share borders with Israel and any Turkish air strike or naval strike coming gives ample time or breathing space to Israel to detect and plan counter strategy... it's just like Iran firing missiles towards it from distance which gave them plenty of time to protect themselves....

Apart from this Turkish entire airforce is American made and only modern jet is F16 which can be sabotaged by America in case of war with Israel... F4 can be a used only for defense so with F16 Sofas, F15 RAAM, F35 Adirs and awesome Awacs capabilities Israel will have a Turkey shoot over Turkey....

If Israel Turkiye war starts this or next year then only God can protect Turkiye....

Türkiye's advantage is that Israel is a tiny dot on the map. It won't take much to overwhelm and eventually destroy Israel. Türkiye has the ability to overwhelm Israel when push comes to shove. It has a strong defence industry to sustain a lengthy war if need be.

We understand that Israel is an Indian God, but no need to invoke your God for Türkiye's protection. Türkiye will slap the shit out of miniscule dot Israel. Even more so when the Sunni axis takes full shape.

We know why your God is suddenly crying Sunni axis.

 

[Pakistan Space Agency]

LOL What? Since when NATO got success in Afghanistan ? and what about Russia lol ? NATO don't have balls to go head to head against Russia. Also note that Russia is not even the biggest challenger of US anymore. Russia's strength is perhaps not even 5% of what China represents. China alone has greator GDP then whole of NATO put together (except the US). China alone has a space station of its own, whole of NATO put together can't do it. China is flying its 6th gen fighters, while whole of NATO can't even make a 5th gen (except the US). So NATO is a paper tiger as rightly said by the President of US. He is 100% correct that without the US, NATO is nothing.

Also, to your example which you thrown out without thinking then how about Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iran who put the daddy of NATO the US itself at its place. You know when the US (which represents 99% of strength of NATO - rest of NATO are just 1%) got its ass handed over it by Iran then what do you think rest of microscopic armies of NATO can do.

Okay.

At this point, its evident that you are doing arguments just for the sake of arguments. You have not made a single solid argument for your case. Please think thoroughly before responding. Those one liner responses without any thinking involved are just embarrassment and those also ruins quality of content of the forum.

You win, I lose.
Have a nice day.

 

[niubi]

Egypt is not politically or militarily equipped to exploit its proximity to Israel to achieve some military victory over Israel. The proximity works more for Israel than against it and those tank fleets Egypt has are road blocks to Israel without proper networked support. MBTs are sitting ducks unless you have dominance over the air, electromagnetic and ISR spectrum AND over the sphere of friendly artillery and counter artillery.

Turkey is conventionally much stronger than Israel. In fact I honestly think Turkey is conventionally much stronger than India even without considering the fact that Turkey's military industry is much better than India's.

Israel just has the nuke over Turkey to prevent any escalation.

 

[Dalit]

Egypt is not politically or militarily equipped to exploit its proximity to Israel to achieve some military victory over Israel. The proximity works more for Israel than against it and those tank fleets Egypt has are road blocks to Israel without proper networked support. MBTs are sitting ducks unless you have dominance over the air, electromagnetic and ISR spectrum AND over the sphere of friendly artillery and counter artillery.

Turkey is conventionally much stronger than Israel. In fact I honestly think Turkey is conventionally much stronger than India even without considering the fact that Turkey's military industry is much better than India's.

Israel just has the nuke over Turkey to prevent any escalation.

Don't worry about the nuke aspect. This is where Pakistan comes in. Do you know why Israel is crying Sunni axis lately? They fully grasp that when Türkiye, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia unite it will be a nightmare for Israel. There are so many sour grapes for Israel. Remember that not so long ago these Zionists were almost ready to sign the Abraham Accords deal with Saudi Arabia. Instead we today have a Sunni axis.

 

[NGAD IS THE BEST]

At the beginning, propaganda said 7 Rafale down.
then 4
So far it is one, at best.
Remember me how many jets and airborne radar were lost on the other side ?
It is war, and there are casualties.

WE never claim 7 Rafale, We only claimed 5 IAF's jets were down from day one including 3 Rafales, a Su-30MKI and MIG-29, it was Trump that 7 than 11 but not all were Rafales, he mentions total lose of IAF's jets in the conflict, And why you claimed 8 PAF- jets downed by IAF and S-400 after trump mentioned 6-0 in favor of PAF after 3 months from clash you false flag Indian?

 

[Aziqbal]

No one has ever said Turkey or Iran cannot defeat Israel

Both can

Issue is fighting Israel means directly fighting USA

Iran is the only one who has shown they can defeat both at the same time

 

[niubi]

Don't worry about the nuke aspect. This is where Pakistan comes in. Do you know why Israel is crying Sunni axis? They fully grasp that when Turkiye, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia unite it will be a nightmare of Israel.

I understand this can be a formidable defence and mutual development union but at the end of the day it is still three separate countries.

If the three forms iron clad agreements for basically the supply of what the others require, it will become a great defence which in turn establishes the groundwork for economic and industrial progress, therefore posing as a challenge to the region and the rest of the players in the world to be honest but even at its best, it may prevent any ideas from Washington and Tel Aviv but will never allow the "Sunni axis" to go on the offensive.

If war occurs with Israel, it will need to consider this perhaps but I don't think Israel will consider Pakistani nukes as a protection for Turkey or KSA. Both powers would prefer at the end of the day to eventually make their own which honestly will not be difficult if they really wanted to. It's just Western backlash a la Iran.

 

[Dalit]

No one has ever said Turkey or Iran cannot defeat Israel

Both can

Issue is fighting Israel means directly fighting USA

Iran is the only one who has shown they can defeat both at the same time

Victory is not achieved in isolation, but through collective strength. The definitive lesson for Islamic nations today is that forming a strategic bloc is essential for survival. Look no further than Israel's reaction to the emerging 'Sunni axis' and its rhetoric against Turkiye for orchestrating it. Their anxiety stems from a simple truth, a unified front deprives the adversary of the ability to target nations individually.

 

[niubi]

Lebanon and Iran have shown that Israel is not so ahead militarily. Both Iran and Lebanese based groups are relatively ill equipped and they have put a lot of pause on the US and Israel.

Proper militaries like Turkey's would obliterate Israel very quickly and force nuclear use by Israel. This is why neither side will accidentally go to war without a lot of thinking and planning ahead for every consequence.

KSA + Pakistan + Turkey would indeed be quite an alliance and geographically well positioned. It by default counters Israel but Israel has quite an ability to get politicians and use underhanded tactics to win favour and manipulate narratives and directions.

Sunni axis may have the nukes, the oil, the money, the industries, the talent. Will it have such an infallible political elite to resist the West and Israel? No alliance of nations has ever pulled this off. Even individual nations acting in their best interest often fail to pull this off. The allure is too strong.

 

[Dalit]

I understand this can be a formidable defence and mutual development union but at the end of the day it is still three separate countries.

If the three forms iron clad agreements for basically the supply of what the others require, it will become a great defence which in turn establishes the groundwork for economic and industrial progress, therefore posing as a challenge to the region and the rest of the players in the world to be honest but even at its best, it may prevent any ideas from Washington and Tel Aviv but will never allow the "Sunni axis" to go on the offensive.

If war occurs with Israel, it will need to consider this perhaps but I don't think Israel will consider Pakistani nukes as a protection for Turkey or KSA. Both powers would prefer at the end of the day to eventually make their own which honestly will not be difficult if they really wanted to. It's just Western backlash a la Iran.

There is no need to go on the offensive. The whole idea and concept of this union is to deter the other side. It is a deterrence. They call it an axis. We call it a deterrence.

Remember it is Israel that seeks total dominance within the region. Any Islamic country with even the slightest capability immediately becomes a dangerous obstacle.

 

[BHAN85]

There is some polymarket bet about this stupid thing?

This will never happen, ever, in all universes.

But talk BS about it I guess is useful to support all those regimes.

Israel: Ohh they want to hurt us, give us money and help.

Turkiye and Egypt: Ohhh damn zios, we love Palestinians, talk about it and dont mention our internal problems.

 

[MMM-E]

Egypt has far more chances to stand strong against Israel compared to Turkiye.....

Egypt directly borders Isreal through Sinai and hence any major Egyptian air attack will be a huge blow to Isreal as Israel is very small area..... all loitering munitions, stormshadows and other similar missiles will have to cross very little distance to cover.... even Egyptian fighters can engage Isreal's fighters without Meteor or AMARAAM.... due to Egypt close proximity Isreal will have a very less breathing space....

Problem is for Egypt = no indigenous defense industry to produce weapons , no SCALP and METEOR Missiles , no Ballistic Missiles and no long range kamikaze Drones

If Israel Turkiye war starts this or next year then only God can protect Turkiye....

USA, The UK, France even Jordon , S.Arabia helped Israel to stop Iranian Missiles and kamikaze Drones

this time nobody will help Israel against Turkiye .. even GOD can not save tiny Israel


1 -- 15.000 Turkish long range kamikaze Drones to destroy Israeli Air Defense Systems

2 -- another 2.000 K-2 and MIZRAK kamikaze Drones to destroy defenseless Israeli airbases including Fighter Jets on the ground

3 -- TAYFUN Ballistic Missiles with 1 tonne WRATH thermobaric warhead to destroy defenseless Israeli airbases including Fighter Jets on the ground



also , SOM and ATMACA-UM Cruise Missile attack will come from the eastern MEDİTERRANEAN 3 - 5 m over sea

Israili cities Haifa and Telaviv are locating at sea level and their radars cannot detect missiles and kamikaze drones approaching from a low altitude of 3 - 5 meters in early detection

just 500 km distance from Turkiye to Israel ... Israeli air defenses will be busy to stop 15.000 kamikaze drones


Turkish Navy and Air Force also KORAL-2OO Radar ew Systems , ASOJ-23A stand off jammer Aircraft , E-7T AEWCs and S400 , SIPER AD Systems to block the Eastern Mediterranean

 

[niubi]

There is no need to go on the offensive. The whole idea and concept of this union is to deter the other side. It is a deterrence. They call it an axis. We call it a deterrence.

Yes this is well and good and it certainly deters Israel and the West from performing direct military actions and makes it extremely difficult to deploy heavy handed economic and trade actions against this group but this is exactly how Israel and the West is skilled.

It doesn't target where you are strong.

It won't engage such a "Sunni Axis" with military and overt pressure. It will bribe politicians, engage in decades long propaganda campaigns (just like with China), fund various groups. Incite conflict and weird social movements, undermine everything at every turn. Do that non stop for decades to weaken the alliance and individual nations.