BREAKING: India, Indonesia to jointly develop Sabang Port near the Strait of Malacca, sources say

[Hakwa Nadro]

thread is based on a post on X, any genuine source available, maybe an Indonesian source.

 

[retaxis]

Why India wants to piss off China I don't know, especially when China has won many options and hands to play

They also depend deeply on China for their exports sector and electronics/equipment etc as well.

China knows that India is not a serious country and a serious threat. More like a stray dog you got to kick sometime to let it know where it stands.

 

[retaxis]

If india wants to shut anything malacca down, assuming they do and china does nothing. The countries that suffer the most are East Asian like Japan, sk, Taiwan, and ASEAN. China has land routes thru russia/central Asia and other routes thru Burma and northern Arctic route.

India would just be pissing off all Asians together if they tried to shut down malacca and would be a move as stupid as the one trump pulled.

 

[Jagga Badmash]

ENC has already started sending its new warships to the South China Sea. We also sent a Kilo-class submarine to Jakarta in 2023. Step by step, India's presence in the region is growing.

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Like Chabahar? lols

 

[ety]

LOL "Upper" hand ?

Well if things go dirty, your ships or whatever assets you placed near strait of malacca would turn into 1000 pieces in moments notice.

It seems you have ZERO idea how much of a difference militarily and technologically is there between you and china. Forget being in same league, You are not even in same generation. Just keep your delusions in check.

Realistically india has zero capacity and no capability to take on china. China won't be affected with anything india do at or near malacca strait. Not even slightly.

edit: Plus China is largest trading partner of Indonesia. Also doing investments in Indonesia. Do you think indonesia will let you use that port against China ? Only if it wants to commit suicide then alright.

They are just dreaming that their IN can choke China's life lines anytime to beg for life so that it will give up its claims on the land borders to appease them, lol.

 

[ety]

If india wants to shut anything malacca down, assuming they do and china does nothing. The countries that suffer the most are East Asian like Japan, sk, Taiwan, and ASEAN. China has land routes thru russia/central Asia and other routes thru Burma and northern Arctic route.

India would just be pissing off all Asians together if they tried to shut down malacca and would be a move as stupid as the one trump pulled.

Their pathetic IN will be obliterated by PLAN and PLARF if they try to do that. Don't try to make a big fool of themselves again.

 

[Nimble]

LOL "Upper" hand ?

Well if things go dirty, your ships or whatever assets you placed near strait of malacca would turn into 1000 pieces in moments notice.

It seems you have ZERO idea how much of a difference militarily and technologically is there between you and china. Forget being in same league, You are not even in same generation. Just keep your delusions in check.

Realistically india has zero capacity and no capability to take on china. China won't be affected with anything india do at or near malacca strait. Not even slightly.

edit: Plus China is largest trading partner of Indonesia. Also doing investments in Indonesia. Do you think indonesia will let you use that port against China ? Only if it wants to commit suicide then alright.

Traveling 1000s of kms away and fighting against Indian navy in her own backyard is not that easy.... we are not going to blocked Indonesian water so why would they have any issue?

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Traveling 1000s of kms away and fighting against Indian navy in her own backyard is not that easy.... we are not going to blocked Indonesian water so why would they have any issue?

Traveling 1000 km from its homeland is not even considered blue water for the PLAN.

Even China's incoming 6th gen fighters can easily cover up a combat radius of 3000 km, and never mind China strategic bombers and anti-ship hypersonic missiles that covers up more than 5000 km.

The PLAN is absolutely safe under these umbrellas, and it operates over 50 modern destroyers and 30-50 nuclear submarines.

Only the USN will be a challenge, and I don't see the Indian navy is anywhere classified as a contender.

 

[c14-Isotope]

Or it could be another episode like Chabahar port. Where India eventually had to pack up and leave.

Are you sure about everything buddy? Chabahar is integral for INSTC

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[NeptunesVortex]

Traveling 1000 km from its homeland is not even considered blue water for the PLAN.

Even China's incoming 6th gen fighters can easily cover up a combat radius of 3000 km, and never mind China strategic bombers and anti-ship hypersonic missiles that covers up more than 5000 km.

The PLAN is absolutely safe under these umbrellas, and it operates over 50 modern destroyers and 30-50 nuclear submarines.

Only the USN will be a challenge, and I don't see the Indian navy is anywhere classified as a contender.

5 USN, 2 JMSDF, 1 RAN carriers in Pacific alongside new USAF, USMC deployment in Philippines and Australia will pretty much stop PLAN foray beyond Taiwan and put reverse pressure on 9 dash line.

We can field 2 carriers and ASHMs batteries to choke lines from A&N and TN.

Our strength area will be ship to ship attacks at extended range(800 to 1500+ km), something which others lack...so provide air cover to our flotilla and let us release the ER javelines...

Japan's strong area is air cover from ships and their excellent fleet of SSKs, more suited to SCS depths than big SSNs.

A quad alliance seems be becoming a necessity.

Such a tying down of China means they can just spare a few cruisers, destroyers for Indian ocean.

We can match them 1 for 1 away from us like Gulf of Aden etc and have local superiority near coast if they try.

While PLAN will hold local dominance near coast, taiwan and harass small neighbors, they will not be able to counter 8 carriers facing them.

Pretty much stops them from being a globally deployed force and reduce ships they can throw at us in Indian ocean.

Secures our supply lines.

Chinese Analysts Express Unease Over New Delhi’s Naval Surge in the Arabian Sea

Chinese Analysts Express Unease Over New Delhi’s Naval Surge in the Arabian Sea

The Indian Navy has deployed an unprecedented number of warships to the Arabian Sea to join the multinational effort protecting civilian vessels coming under attack from Houthi militants based in Yemen. Although India is not a formal member of the U.S.-led coalition that's launching...

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[Indos]

What the fuss on it ??

It is commercial port, so I assume both countries will invest on the port

It is not military base

 

[bafxet]

Pakistan is lossing friends to India and loosing them fast. I remember President Sukarnoun equivocal support during 1965 war.

China, Turkey and Saudi Arabia are not all. There are 180 plus countries in this world.

Diplomacy in shambles

 

[NeptunesVortex]

LOL "Upper" hand ?

Well if things go dirty, your ships or whatever assets you placed near strait of malacca would turn into 1000 pieces in moments notice.

It seems you have ZERO idea how much of a difference militarily and technologically is there between you and china. Forget being in same league, You are not even in same generation. Just keep your delusions in check.

Realistically india has zero capacity and no capability to take on china. China won't be affected with anything india do at or near malacca strait. Not even slightly.

edit: Plus China is largest trading partner of Indonesia. Also doing investments in Indonesia. Do you think indonesia will let you use that port against China ? Only if it wants to commit suicide then alright.

At any given time, the PLAN has to maintain the Northern and Eastern Theater fleets to deter the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force, the Republic of Korea Navy and the U.S. 7th Fleet based in Okinawa. The Eastern Fleet is also the primary naval formation responsible for any Taiwan contingency, leaving virtually no spare high-end combatants without accepting strategic risk in the East China Sea and Taiwan Strait.

Southern Theater Fleet is the only PLAN formation with meaningful expeditionary potential but it is simultaneously responsible for enforcing China's claims in the South China Sea against Vietnam, the Philippines and Malaysia. It must also account for regular U.S, Australian, British, French, Canadian, and other allied naval deployments entering through the Malacca, Sunda and Lombok Straits. As a result, a significant portion of the fleet remains tied down in persistent presence and deterrence missions.

Even if PLAN decided to mount an expedition into the Indian Ocean, it would have to protect an extremely long and vulnerable sea line of communication stretching over 3,000 km from Hainan through the Malacca Strait. Every warship deployed westward would require escorts, logistics ships, ammunition support, fleet oilers, repair capability and continuous air and satellite reconnaissance. Unlike the Indian Navy, the PLAN lacks a dense network of friendly bases in the Indian Ocean capable of sustaining prolonged high-intensity naval operations.

Realistically, this leaves only a limited expeditionary force perhaps around 1,000 marines with 2 LPDs, several LSTs, 1 carrier if political leadership accepts the risk and a surface escort of roughly 5 destroyers and 4-5 frigates. Even this force would represent a substantial commitment and would be difficult to reinforce or sustain over time.

Their first operational obstacle would be the Andaman and Nicobar Islands which effectively overlook the western approaches to the Malacca Strait. India maintains anti-ship missile batteries, air assets operating from Car Nicobar AF Station, long range MPAs such as the P-8Is, Sea Guardians and an underwater surveillance network capable of supporting ASW operations. Any PLAN subs entering the eastern Indian Ocean would face a far more hostile detection environment than in the Western Pacific.

Another often-overlooked constraint is that the PLAN has very limited combat experience in sustained expeditionary warfare. Most of its long-range deployments have consisted of anti-piracy patrols and peacetime presence missions rather than contested amphibious operations under enemy air and missile threat. Conducting an opposed landing thousands of kilometers from home while simultaneously protecting logistics ships would be a qualitatively different challenge.

On the defending side, India can reinforce the Andaman and Nicobar garrison if required. Beyond the permanent forces and amphibious brigade, formations such as the 54th Infantry Division could be airlifted or sealifted to strengthen the islands. Such a force would significantly outnumber and outgun any realistically deployable PLAN Marine contingent @Nimble

 

[ety]

5 USN, 2 JMSDF, 1 RAN carriers in Pacific alongside new USAF, USMC deployment in Philippines and Australia will pretty much stop PLAN foray beyond Taiwan and put reverse pressure on 9 dash line.

We can field 2 carriers and ASHMs batteries to choke lines from A&N and TN.

Our strength area will be ship to ship attacks at extended range(800 to 1500+ km), something which others lack...so provide air cover to our flotilla and let us release the ER javelines...

Japan's strong area is air cover from ships and their excellent fleet of SSKs, more suited to SCS depths than big SSNs.

A quad alliance seems be becoming a necessity.

Such a tying down of China means they can just spare a few cruisers, destroyers for Indian ocean.

We can match them 1 for 1 away from us like Gulf of Aden etc and have local superiority near coast if they try.

While PLAN will hold local dominance near coast, taiwan and harass small neighbors, they will not be able to counter 8 carriers facing them.

Pretty much stops them from being a globally deployed force and reduce ships they can throw at us in Indian ocean.

Secures our supply lines.
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Chinese Analysts Express Unease Over New Delhi’s Naval Surge in the Arabian Sea

Chinese Analysts Express Unease Over New Delhi’s Naval Surge in the Arabian Sea

The Indian Navy has deployed an unprecedented number of warships to the Arabian Sea to join the multinational effort protecting civilian vessels coming under attack from Houthi militants based in Yemen. Although India is not a formal member of the U.S.-led coalition that's launching...

chinaglobalsouth.com

Lol, still day dreaming that US is still your India's tested and trusted ally that will fight side by side for you in your conflict with China. The mad orange man has long mercilessly dumped your country since it became the loser in the May 7 Indo-Pak war last year. India has no military strategic value to US now, Trump is closer to Pakistan. Trump has also more or less dumped your much valued coalition QUAD, dropped your India from Indo-Pacific to become Pacific only, lol.

 

[wangdefa]

At any given time, the PLAN has to maintain the Northern and Eastern Theater fleets to deter the Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force, the Republic of Korea Navy and the U.S. 7th Fleet based in Okinawa. The Eastern Fleet is also the primary naval formation responsible for any Taiwan contingency, leaving virtually no spare high-end combatants without accepting strategic risk in the East China Sea and Taiwan Strait.

Southern Theater Fleet is the only PLAN formation with meaningful expeditionary potential but it is simultaneously responsible for enforcing China's claims in the South China Sea against Vietnam, the Philippines and Malaysia. It must also account for regular U.S, Australian, British, French, Canadian, and other allied naval deployments entering through the Malacca, Sunda and Lombok Straits. As a result, a significant portion of the fleet remains tied down in persistent presence and deterrence missions.

Even if PLAN decided to mount an expedition into the Indian Ocean, it would have to protect an extremely long and vulnerable sea line of communication stretching over 3,000 km from Hainan through the Malacca Strait. Every warship deployed westward would require escorts, logistics ships, ammunition support, fleet oilers, repair capability and continuous air and satellite reconnaissance. Unlike the Indian Navy, the PLAN lacks a dense network of friendly bases in the Indian Ocean capable of sustaining prolonged high-intensity naval operations.

Realistically, this leaves only a limited expeditionary force perhaps around 1,000 marines with 2 LPDs, several LSTs, 1 carrier if political leadership accepts the risk and a surface escort of roughly 5 destroyers and 4-5 frigates. Even this force would represent a substantial commitment and would be difficult to reinforce or sustain over time.

Their first operational obstacle would be the Andaman and Nicobar Islands which effectively overlook the western approaches to the Malacca Strait. India maintains anti-ship missile batteries, air assets operating from Car Nicobar AF Station, long range MPAs such as the P-8Is, Sea Guardians and an underwater surveillance network capable of supporting ASW operations. Any PLAN subs entering the eastern Indian Ocean would face a far more hostile detection environment than in the Western Pacific.

Another often-overlooked constraint is that the PLAN has very limited combat experience in sustained expeditionary warfare. Most of its long-range deployments have consisted of anti-piracy patrols and peacetime presence missions rather than contested amphibious operations under enemy air and missile threat. Conducting an opposed landing thousands of kilometers from home while simultaneously protecting logistics ships would be a qualitatively different challenge.

On the defending side, India can reinforce the Andaman and Nicobar garrison if required. Beyond the permanent forces and amphibious brigade, formations such as the 54th Infantry Division could be airlifted or sealifted to strengthen the islands. Such a force would significantly outnumber and outgun any realistically deployable PLAN Marine contingent @Nimble
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American think tanks are much clearer. The potential for war, the massive manufacturing capacity, mobilization capability, and logistical support. If you don't understand, I advise you not to analyze the paper data.
India probably hasn't experienced China's sanctions yet. We don't need military action; just comprehensive sanctions will be enough to bring them to their knees.
As for military strength, I'm sorry, but you can't even handle our brothers in Pakistan. China is too far away for you.
All your fantasies are unrealistic.
Be realistic, my friend, your current capabilities are not enough to break out of the South Asian region.