Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Bratva said:
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Who are you to criticize? The one who made alliances with Houthis and the Assad and countless other shody alliances? Concentrate on your War with USA. It doesnt concern you who Pakistan make alliance with in future.
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Pakistan is making a military alliance with a country we are currently at war with. I am not criticizing, I just find it interesting. Please continue.
 
Magi said:
There will have to be loading stations. There will be physical ships. Oil has to get transferred to ships somehow. The ships move slowly. Sinking one will close a canal. We saw that at the Suez a couple of years back. That is a very target rich environment. Disrupting such delicate and safety sensitive operation is very easy.
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Yeah, but the difference this time is that if you threaten that canal, they will do the same to the Strait of Hormuz. So, the situation will be very different, right? If you shut their canal, they will shut down the Strait of Hormuz as well.
 
ShapurII said:
Yes, seriously. The US stayed in Afghanistan for 20 years, even established military bases there. The US could've held Afghanistan indefinitely if they wanted to. They left Afghanistan after turning the country into an even worse failed state than it initially was.
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That is being overzealous... but devoid of facts and nuances. It based on conjecture and fear...

US could not have kept that presence in Afghanistan without a corridor through Pakistan! You don't know the Afghanistan of 90's ... it is better today than how it was...
When US left without it's materiel... it replaced Taleban with Taleban... who were NEVER a military force, never! Were missing basics of an organized front... various factions kept together for a common cause. Iraq was supported directly through GCC... the worst terrain to defend... and a single port that once lost trapped the state inside.


ShapurII said:
Iraq is also the size of multiple European countries. Afghanistan too. What's your point?
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If you don't understand basics then don't push them... logistics in hostile terrain and territory can collapse an adventure on their own... everyone gets overstretched... Nazi campaign was over stretched on it's way to Moscow... and that was a straight line... no air bridge needed.
 
Magi said:
Pakistan is making a military alliance with a country we are currently at war with. I am not criticizing, I just find it interesting. Please continue.
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Has the agreement signed? Has the alliance been made official? It's better to comment when it happens.
 
Bratva said:
When Iran made allianc with Houthis, Assad of Syria and Hezbollah and Iraqi militias. I never seen Iranians or people who criticizing, complain about those shody alliances. Iranians and non-Pakistanis has no right to criticize anything that Pakistan thinks is best for herself. If anyone wants to criticize start with your own country and the alliances you've made or gonna make.
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Getting dragged into Mideast wars for a few $$$ and cheap loans , while seven times larger India is breathing down your neck, isn't in Pakistan's interests. We have 50 years of fighting the West's war in Afghanistan as further proof.

OT so people can start a separate thread on this topic.
 
Bratva said:
Has the agreement signed? Has the alliance been made official? It's better to comment when it happens.
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I'm still waiting to see the text of the Pakistan-Saudi one and to have it debated and ratified by Parliament.
 
ShapurII said:
Yeah, but the difference this time is that if you threaten that canal, they will do the same to the Strait of Hormuz. So, the situation will be very different, right? If you shut their canal, they will shut down the Strait of Hormuz as well.
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The current war's main goal for Iran is to cement Iranian control over the Hormuz and remove the US military threat. Granted that is a hefty goal, our leaders are vomit inducingly bad. But that is the goal nonetheless. If Iran achieves that there will be nobody left to shut down the Strait. I don't see India and Philippines assembling an armada to confront Iran
 
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Abdul q said:
It is with KSA who is active participant in this conflict…. Its a complex situation when Saudis get pounding again ….
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We'll discuss it in relevant thread and when we cross that bridge. I don't like the hypocrisy and double standards being displayed here where people defends the alliances made by Iran and criticize what Pakistan is doing.
 
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