Why should Pakistan accept a British criminal?

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British are terrible people and they never want to solve their own problems.

This criminal guy has been lived in British for over 50 years and is a British citizen according to their own laws.

 

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British are terrible people and they never want to solve their own problems.

This criminal guy has been lived in British for over 50 years and is a British citizen according to their own laws.

This issue goes far deeper than just a government failing to solve its own domestic problems. It feels like there is a deep seated hostility within certain British society, institutions and media outlets toward Pakistan. While the historical roots of this prejudice are complex, the legacy of blatant P-a-k-i bashing from earlier decades has clearly laid the groundwork for the current climate.

Right now, it looks like a deliberate attempt to drag Pakistan into a domestic mess and humiliate a nation of 240 million people. The narrative being pushed essentially implies that Pakistan is somehow responsible for producing monsters who enter a supposedly flawless Britain to abuse white British angelic girls. That is the damaging, underlying message they are trying to broadcast to the rest of the world.

The real question we need to ask is: Should Pakistan tolerate being made the scapegoat for a uniquely British systemic failure?

Thus far, the Pakistani government has resisted these narrative traps. However, the sheer aggression of this blame shifting campaign suggests that certain factions in the UK are willing to severely damage diplomatic relations just to deflect accountability.

If you ask me personally, the time has come to review the relationship with Britain in its entirety.

 

[K2RULEZ]

Pakistan and Shabir Ahmed are laughing at Britain

Pakistan is laughing at us. Over the past three years, they’ve deported a staggering 2.4 million Afghans. It was one of the largest expulsions of human beings in history. Yet when we ask Pakistan if they will please take back one poxy bloke, they say “Nope”. They are allowed to kick out undesirables, you see, but we are not.

The case of Shabir Ahmed, the Rochdale rape-gang leader let out of jail this month, gets more enraging every day. Pakistan is now flat-out refusing to take back its criminal citizen. In my eyes that is an act of hostility, and it should be treated as such by our government. Every tool of statecraft must now be deployed to make Pakistan relent and take back its monster who we are done with.

Ahmed was sentenced to 22 years for his reign of rape over white working-class girls in Rochdale. He was let out on licence at the start of July. Virtually no one wants him in the country, least of all the women he so viciously abused. Our incoming PM, Andy Burnham, has promised to exhaust all options for booting out this beastly destroyer of lives.

One problem is the Immigration Act 1971, which forbids the removal of anyone from a Commonwealth country who came to Britain before 1973. That covers Ahmed, a Pakistani who arrived in the late Sixties. The other problem is Pakistan. You “spoiled” this man, so you can keep him – that’s their line. Such jingoistic hubris must not stand.

It was Tahir Andrabi, a spokesman for Pakistan’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who basically told us to get stuffed. It was in Britain that Ahmed was “raised, groomed and unfortunately spoiled”, he said. “Groomed” – what a striking choice of word. A Pakistani’s grooming of vulnerable girls is subtly turned into a tale about Britain’s grooming of monsters.

“The government of Pakistan has no connection whatsoever with this matter”, said Andrabi. Yes you do. Ahmed is a Pakistani citizen. Solely a Pakistani citizen, in fact – his British citizenship was rightly revoked. Pakistan is simply being asked to take responsibility for one of its own. Its refusal to do so is an imperious act of disregard for the sovereign wishes of the United Kingdom.

The Ahmed case is now more than a matter of justice: it is a moral test for our nation. We are about to find out how seriously our politicians take the principle of sovereignty, that fundamental liberty of every free nation to determine which foreigners may reside within their territory. If we fail to deport Ahmed, we will advertise to the world just how deracinated and meaningless the sovereign integrity of our once great kingdom has become.

So much now rests on the successful removal of this foreign repeat rapist from our lands. We need to show that the safety and dignity of working-class women count for more than the faux-virtuous posturing of the radical middle classes.

Already Guardianista voices are being raised to say it would be “problematic” to tweak Britain’s laws just to deport one bad man. Others among the credentialled keffiyeh classes fret that deporting Ahmed will open the door to the deportation of others. (And?) Enough is enough – the self-regarding sloganeering of cossetted activists must not take moral precedence over the existential security of working-class Britons.

The incoming government has a chance to show that it prizes the well-being of working-class women more highly than the cheap moral thrill the bourgeois left gets from crowing: “Refugees welcome!”

In fact, going forward this should be the moral priority across the immigration issue. We should be listening less to self-styled anti-racists who ostentatiously welcome every young man who lands on our shores, and more to women in the poorer parts of Britain who are forced against their will to live cheek by jowl with these undocumented blokes from distant, regressive lands where men rule and women obey.

Here’s what the Shabir Ahmed horror forces us to ask. Are we an independent nation or not? Do we or do we not enjoy that first freedom of democratic nationhood, which is to welcome or expel any good or individual that we so choose? Pakistan’s refusal of Ahmed is an underhand insult to our independence. It is the throttling by a foreign power of the legitimate wishes of the free people of Britain.

Action must be taken. Cancel visas for Pakistanis. Put a stop on the payment of remittances to Pakistan. Freeze aid. Whatever it takes. Pakistan – the whole world, in fact – needs to know that Britain is a sovereign land that will not tolerate the thwarting of its national interest by any foreign actor. Andy, can you do that?

Pakistan and Shabir Ahmed are laughing at Britain

The case of Shabir Ahmed, the Rochdale rape-gang leader let out of jail this month, gets more enraging every day

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[RocketLaw]

This issue goes far deeper than just a government failing to solve its own domestic problems. It feels like there is a deep seated hostility within certain British society, institutions and media outlets toward Pakistan. While the historical roots of this prejudice are complex, the legacy of blatant P-a-k-i bashing from earlier decades has clearly laid the groundwork for the current climate.

Right now, it looks like a deliberate attempt to drag Pakistan into a domestic mess and humiliate a nation of 240 million people. The narrative being pushed essentially implies that Pakistan is somehow responsible for producing monsters who enter a supposedly flawless Britain to abuse white British angelic girls. That is the damaging, underlying message they are trying to broadcast to the rest of the world.

The real question we need to ask is: Should Pakistan tolerate being made the scapegoat for a uniquely British systemic failure?

Thus far, the Pakistani government has resisted these narrative traps. However, the sheer aggression of this blame shifting campaign suggests that certain factions in the UK are willing to severely damage diplomatic relations just to deflect accountability.

If you ask me personally, the time has come to review the relationship with Britain in its entirety.

Excellent points - that's what it looks like.

Pakistan should completely reject British propaganda and their problems.

 

[K2RULEZ]

Take a close look at how the far right in Britain is framing the current situation. It feels like we are watching a massive case of sour grapes play out in real time.

For decades, the underlying attitude seems to have been rooted in an outdated colonial mindset as if the UK still expects a subservient Pakistan to simply bow to the master's command. But the reality on the ground has completely changed. Britain is finding out the hard way that it cannot bully a nuclear armed nation of 240 million people into submission.

Because Pakistan is standing its ground and essentially showing Britain a massive middle finger, the reaction across the UK media and political landscape has shifted into sheer anger and hostility.

But if you look past the aggressive rhetoric, what options does the UK actually have left? It feels like they are running on fumes and bluffing. All they can really threaten are things like aid cuts and visa restrictions. The Brits clearly understand that imposing these kinds of heavy handed restrictions would be tantamount to inviting an immediate, equal backlash from the other side.

This is the perfect historical moment for Pakistan to completely review and redefine its entire relationship with Britain.

 

[K2RULEZ]

Pakistan blames the UK for rapist Shabir Ahmed's crimes | Lawyers Alan Collins and Sailesh Mehta join Tom Swarbrick​

Pakistan blames the UK for rapist Shabir Ahmed's crimes | Lawyers Alan Collins and Sailesh Mehta join Tom Swarbrick | LBC

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Pakistan ‘won’t be bullied’ into taking Rochdale grooming gang leader​

An official in Pakistan’s interior ministry rejected pressure to accept Shabir Ahmed, saying that the UK had little leverage post-Brexit

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I strongly believe that Pakistan should absolutely reject any and all foreign aid from Britain.

Let's be honest about what is actually happening here: the British government clearly uses foreign aid as a strategic tool to maintain leverage and influence, treating former colonies exactly how they used to by buying compliance. It is a modern form of soft-power bribery disguised as charity.

If Pakistan wants to claim true independence and has an ounce of national pride, it needs to immediately reject these aid offers. Relying on handouts from our former colonial rulers only compromises our sovereignty and keeps us chained to their agenda. It's time to stop accepting these patronizing crumbs and stand on our own two feet.

 

[Master Chief]

This issue goes far deeper than just a government failing to solve its own domestic problems. It feels like there is a deep seated hostility within certain British society, institutions and media outlets toward Pakistan. While the historical roots of this prejudice are complex, the legacy of blatant P-a-k-i bashing from earlier decades has clearly laid the groundwork for the current climate.

Right now, it looks like a deliberate attempt to drag Pakistan into a domestic mess and humiliate a nation of 240 million people. The narrative being pushed essentially implies that Pakistan is somehow responsible for producing monsters who enter a supposedly flawless Britain to abuse white British angelic girls. That is the damaging, underlying message they are trying to broadcast to the rest of the world.

The real question we need to ask is: Should Pakistan tolerate being made the scapegoat for a uniquely British systemic failure?

Thus far, the Pakistani government has resisted these narrative traps. However, the sheer aggression of this blame shifting campaign suggests that certain factions in the UK are willing to severely damage diplomatic relations just to deflect accountability.

If you ask me personally, the time has come to review the relationship with Britain in its entirety.

There's no "deep seated hostility". In truth, neither country is that important to the other nowadays except for trade markets. Britain's relevance has waned massively.

What is true though is that Indian-Zio lobbyists and media will amplify this matter and drag English people along as enablers. Make no mistake. This drama is all being promoted by our real enemies.

 

[K2RULEZ]

There's no "deep seated hostility". In truth, neither country is that important to the other nowadays except for trade markets. Britain's relevance has waned massively.

What is true though is that Indian-Zio lobbyists and media will amplify this matter and drag English people along as enablers. Make no mistake. This drama is all being promoted by our real enemies.

I think we need to have a serious, unfiltered conversation about where the current wave of anti-Pakistani rhetoric in Britain is actually coming from. There is a frequent tendency to blame outside influences attributing this hostility to geopolitical friction driven by Zionist or Indian nationalist elements influencing UK politics. `to a certain degree that might be true.

But let’s be honest, Britain is not a toddler.

While outside political dynamics definitely exist, the homegrown hatred we are witnessing from the far-right in Britain isn’t imported. The history speaks for itself. It wasn't Israel or India that whispered in the ears of British street gangs decades ago to invent slurs or institutionalize targetings. The UK far-right literally invented the concept of "P-bashing" back in the 1970s and 80s entirely on their own turf.

When we look at the modern far-right movement in the UK, we are seeing the continuation of a deeply rooted, organic British xenophobia. Stripping local actors of their agency by pretending they are just being manipulated ignores the very real, historical domestic racism that Pakistani communities have faced for generations.

 

[Master Chief]

I think we need to have a serious, unfiltered conversation about where the current wave of anti-Pakistani rhetoric in Britain is actually coming from. There is a frequent tendency to blame outside influences attributing this hostility to geopolitical friction driven by Zionist or Indian nationalist elements influencing UK politics. `to a certain degree that might be true.

But let’s be honest, Britain is not a toddler.

While outside political dynamics definitely exist, the homegrown hatred we are witnessing from the far-right in Britain isn’t imported. The history speaks for itself. It wasn't Israel or India that whispered in the ears of British street gangs decades ago to invent slurs or institutionalize targetings. The UK far-right literally invented the concept of "P-bashing" back in the 1970s and 80s entirely on their own turf.

When we look at the modern far-right movement in the UK, we are seeing the continuation of a deeply rooted, organic British xenophobia. Stripping local actors of their agency by pretending they are just being manipulated ignores the very real, historical domestic racism that Pakistani communities have faced for generations.

Good conversation to have in a dedicated thread. Feel free to include me. In summary, I would argue that the British Pakistani community is fully established and has evolved drastically over many decades. Our relationship with "native whites" (for want of a better term), of all classes, is quite different today to how it used to be 3 or 4 decades back.