Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[tsunset]

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[Flotilla]

Well Trump is off to New York watch the world cup whilst the Middle East burns.
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But well, that is out of the jurisdiction of this thread.

 

[ShapurII]

Personally for me I believe they should have built ventilation shafts from ground level and not top down approach, but I am not an engineer so could be very wrong on that approach.

I'm not an engineer either but I think it would need stronger supply fans due to elbow loss, which maybe Iran cannot make on its own or otherwise our engineers would've used horizontal shafts.

So basically Israel has nothing to do with sparking the conflict in the region is what you are saying?

Persian Gulf Arabs and Israel are in bed. That's what I'm telling you. Israel didn't spark the conflict alone and then sit aside and watch, Arabs were involved in both planning and execution of it out of their own will.

 

[flyingorca]

They are not out of it , The Arabs decided to be their spear , while the spear is on our face , we cannot go for the body ( israel )

Inorder to be that "Spear" they would need to be launching missiles and rockets from their territory. For example Saudi Arabia has launched not even 1% of that. Unfortunately for KSA they made defense pacts with US which was tied with economic deals. Had KSA been supporting Israeli interest so openly I am sure IRGC would be aware of this and would not even bother with negotiation with Arabs. UAE is a zionist state though. IRGC should also try to meet somewhere in the middle to end the conflict and not be so stubborn with their unrealistic demands. Like it or not, US is their in the region and they did not come overnight and will not leave anytime soon even if arabs want them to. Some demands are meet over period of time when dealing with super power. IRGC is not that innocent or saint. They have alot of problems at home such as gross human rights violations. Not sure why almost 90% of Iranians overseas hate Iran and Islam. They cant be all zionist actors.

 

[Kharral]

It’s a different story in months to years because presumably the war would be over one way or another. But negotiating these pacts before a war or during a war is bad optics.



who Pakistan decides to have military cooperation with is their own choice. But Defense pacts should be strategic and by their nature rare.

It appears with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and now Kuwait that Pakistan is at least willing to entertain the thought of selling its military capabilities in exchange for oil and “promises” of economic investment (loans?).

This is strange in the world of defense pacts and there probably isn’t a situation where a regional power has signed defense pacts with other neighbor countries in exchange for money and oil.

Also lastly this can be interpreted by Iran as a covert way to build an “Arab NATO” by first signing individual agreements before announcing the entire picture. Wether Pakistan realizes this or not.

For Pakistan this is a one way defense pact regardless of the what the pact says. None of these Arab countries will come to the aid of the Pakistan if it were to get into a hot war with India. They will bend the knee to America and Israel.

Pakistan trusting these Persian Gulf Arabs is very dangerous if the winds were to one day blow against Pakistan they will all disappear.

Pakistan is well aware of it. Pakistan & Saudi relations go back to pre independence days. The Saudi-Pakistan pact was in works for years if not decades, yet Pakistan did not sign on to it until things had been sorted out between Iran & Saudi via China. Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, & Turkey are geopolitical realities. The little statelets are a net destabilisers. What we are seeing is nature taking its course. The writing is on the wall for America, it has to pack up & leave the region. Pakistan has tried to get America a face saving exit from the region, where it hasn’t burned all the bridges. Hopefully America will take that option sooner than later & preserve its legitimate interests.

 

[Watandar]

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[Kharral]

The main goal of the current war for Iran is survival in my opinion, the Strait of Hormuz is never part of Iran's objectives as long as Iran can secure its security.

The main goal of the current war for Iran is taking off America’s clothes, which it has already done & making it absolutely clear to the Gulf statelets that it’s better to deal with Iran than a country 8000 miles away.

 

[ShapurII]

The main goal of the current war for Iran is taking off America’s clothes, which it has already done & making it absolutely clear to the Gulf statelets that it’s better to deal with Iran than a country 8000 miles away.

You would think Persian Gulf Arabs would give up on their dreams of destroying Iran, particularly when they know they will be destroyed as well, but apparently that's a reasonable price to pay for them.

It's not the first time that Arabs try this. They did the same during the Iraq-Iran war as well.

 

[flyingorca]

Persian Gulf Arabs and Israel are in bed. That's what I'm telling you. Israel didn't spark the conflict alone and then sit aside and watch, Arabs were involved in both planning and execution of it out of their own will.

If thats the case why was Iran negotiating peace talks with Saudia during cease fire without demanding apology or compensation? If what you guys are saying is the ultimate truth then why did IRGC even bother with using Pakistan as prime source for negotiating? After all according to same visionary Pakistanis, Pakistan current civil and military leadership are CIA MOSAD assets along with rest of Arab states..

 

[BananaRepublic]

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I happy to my dear bro @ShapurII smiling

 

[ShapurII]

If thats the case why was Iran negotiating peace talks with Saudia during cease fire without demanding apology or compensation? If what you guys are saying is the ultimate truth then why did IRGC even bother with using Pakistan as prime source for negotiating? After all according to same visionary Pakistanis, Pakistan current civil and military leadership are CIA MOSAD assets along with rest of Arab states..

We're negotiating with Trump as well. Is that all you have to back up your claim? lol

 

[Persian Gulf]

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It’s always “if” “soon” and “next time” with these guys.

 

[Watandar]

Hopefully these are arms that were sent to forces that were going to invade Iran.

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[ShapurII]

I happy to my dear bro @ShapurII smiling

Kurdish separatism is the biggest threat to Iran and the Western Asia. If it were up to me, Kurdish separatists wouldn't sleep one night without getting their nightly dose of missiles and drones.

 

[Watandar]

We're negotiating with Trump as well. Is that all you have to back up your claim? lol

This guy is a troll , ignore him.