Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[kobra]

Something big was hit

 

[Immortals]

No, we are not. Don’t fall for every misinformation campaign that comes your way. There ll be many more such misinformation campaigns in the coming months & years.

It’s a different story in months to years because presumably the war would be over one way or another. But negotiating these pacts before a war or during a war is bad optics.

Pakistan’s relations with Saudi are a special case & even that defense pact has a lot of nuance to it. The rest of the Arab world except Jordan was very happy to joy ride the Indian stick for the last 3 decades, especially after 9/11. The state of Pakistan is well aware of it. We have fought our geopolitical struggle for decades & come out on the other side with an incomplete victory. If Pakistan were to sign a defense pact, it ll be Qatar, yet Pakistan hasn’t signed it.

who Pakistan decides to have military cooperation with is their own choice. But Defense pacts should be strategic and by their nature rare.

It appears with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and now Kuwait that Pakistan is at least willing to entertain the thought of selling its military capabilities in exchange for oil and “promises” of economic investment (loans?).

This is strange in the world of defense pacts and there probably isn’t a situation where a regional power has signed defense pacts with other neighbor countries in exchange for money and oil.

Also lastly this can be interpreted by Iran as a covert way to build an “Arab NATO” by first signing individual agreements before announcing the entire picture. Wether Pakistan realizes this or not.

For Pakistan this is a one way defense pact regardless of the what the pact says. None of these Arab countries will come to the aid of the Pakistan if it were to get into a hot war with India. They will bend the knee to America and Israel.

Pakistan trusting these Persian Gulf Arabs is very dangerous if the winds were to one day blow against Pakistan they will all disappear.

 

[Ravenman]

We need a new Abu Muslim al-Khorasani to bring a revolution in the Arab peninsula and overthrow all the tiny shitty litty puppet Gulf-dictators.

 

[flyingorca]

Did Israel tell Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar, the Emirates, Saudi Arabia and Oman to allow the US to launch a war on Iran from your territory?

Saudi Arabia asked the US to cut "the head of the snake" as far as 2011.

So basically Israel has nothing to do with sparking the conflict in the region is what you are saying?

 

[RescueRanger]

Well Trump is off to New York watch the world cup whilst the Middle East burns.

 

[Feroze]

Well Trump is off to New York watch the world cup whilst the Middle East burns.
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Can't blame him for that. He is an American loser. You think he cares about the Middle East?

It is the Middle Easterners who need to get their act up together.

 

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

It doesn't matter , IRGC has so many Underground base , I hope soon we will see our nukes .

I'd declare Iran as a nuclear power state and conduct tests by providing a window. Orange is the greatest threat to world peace... humanity as whole and a manifestation of the worst of humanity put on a pedestal.

This has to end right here! Zion be damned

 

[Flotilla]

I think this is the first video of such a strike that we have seen! interesting!

WoW they're shooting to the command Bridge, that would kill people. That is escalatory.

 

[Kharral]

It is with KSA who is active participant in this conflict…. Its a complex situation when Saudis get pounding again ….

No, it is not. Saudi is not an active participant in this war. Let’s not cloud our judgement by our frustration & anger against an entity. Saudi is well aware that those American bases are first & foremost a security challenge to Saudi Arabia. A prolonged conflict that ultimately ends up with the degradation & failure of concept & eventual removal of American bases in the region is Saudi geopolitical goal.

I suspect an understanding with Iran to acknowledge Iranian control of over SoH in exchange of Saudi control over Red Sea.

 

[tsunset]

Massive shots

 

[Flotilla]

Well Trump is off to New York watch the world cup whilst the Middle East burns.
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Meanwhile Al Saud Donald Trump is suggesting before midterm elections that system is vulnerable.

Trump sows doubt about election integrity four months before the midterms

Trump declassified records that he claims reveal election vulnerabilities, imploring Congress to pass the SAVE America Act — which currently does not have enough votes to pass.

www.nbcnews.com

But well, that is out of the jurisdiction of this thread.

 

[ShapurII]

Personally for me I believe they should have built ventilation shafts from ground level and not top down approach, but I am not an engineer so could be very wrong on that approach.

I'm not an engineer either but I think it would need stronger supply fans due to elbow loss, which maybe Iran cannot make on its own or otherwise our engineers would've used horizontal shafts.

So basically Israel has nothing to do with sparking the conflict in the region is what you are saying?

Persian Gulf Arabs and Israel are in bed. That's what I'm telling you. Israel didn't spark the conflict alone and then sit aside and watch, Arabs were involved in both planning and execution of it out of their own will.

 

[flyingorca]

They are not out of it , The Arabs decided to be their spear , while the spear is on our face , we cannot go for the body ( israel )

Inorder to be that "Spear" they would need to be launching missiles and rockets from their territory. For example Saudi Arabia has launched not even 1% of that. Unfortunately for KSA they made defense pacts with US which was tied with economic deals. Had KSA been supporting Israeli interest so openly I am sure IRGC would be aware of this and would not even bother with negotiation with Arabs. UAE is a zionist state though. IRGC should also try to meet somewhere in the middle to end the conflict and not be so stubborn with their unrealistic demands. Like it or not, US is their in the region and they did not come overnight and will not leave anytime soon even if arabs want them to. Some demands are meet over period of time when dealing with super power. IRGC is not that innocent or saint. They have alot of problems at home such as gross human rights violations. Not sure why almost 90% of Iranians overseas hate Iran and Islam. They cant be all zionist actors.

 

[Kharral]

It’s a different story in months to years because presumably the war would be over one way or another. But negotiating these pacts before a war or during a war is bad optics.



who Pakistan decides to have military cooperation with is their own choice. But Defense pacts should be strategic and by their nature rare.

It appears with Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and now Kuwait that Pakistan is at least willing to entertain the thought of selling its military capabilities in exchange for oil and “promises” of economic investment (loans?).

This is strange in the world of defense pacts and there probably isn’t a situation where a regional power has signed defense pacts with other neighbor countries in exchange for money and oil.

Also lastly this can be interpreted by Iran as a covert way to build an “Arab NATO” by first signing individual agreements before announcing the entire picture. Wether Pakistan realizes this or not.

For Pakistan this is a one way defense pact regardless of the what the pact says. None of these Arab countries will come to the aid of the Pakistan if it were to get into a hot war with India. They will bend the knee to America and Israel.

Pakistan trusting these Persian Gulf Arabs is very dangerous if the winds were to one day blow against Pakistan they will all disappear.

Pakistan is well aware of it. Pakistan & Saudi relations go back to pre independence days. The Saudi-Pakistan pact was in works for years if not decades, yet Pakistan did not sign on to it until things had been sorted out between Iran & Saudi via China. Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, & Turkey are geopolitical realities. The little statelets are a net destabilisers. What we are seeing is nature taking its course. The writing is on the wall for America, it has to pack up & leave the region. Pakistan has tried to get America a face saving exit from the region, where it hasn’t burned all the bridges. Hopefully America will take that option sooner than later & preserve its legitimate interests.

 

[Watandar]