Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[RzA]

New round of attacks

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[Mav3rick]

Why are you telling such lies?
After the memorandum of understanding was signed on June 15, Trump ordered consecutive direct airstrikes on the Iranian mainland on June 21, June 26, and June 27. The ceasefire was never observed. While Trump completely violated every provision of the memorandum of understanding, Iran unilaterally exercised restraint. It was Trump, not Iran, who broke the agreement. Please base your statements on the facts. The fact that Iran finally reached its limit, waited until July 6, and then carried out a small-scale attack on just a few tankers that had violated the agreement was purely an act of self-defense.

What was the case on the day Iran attacked the 3 civilian vessels transiting the Strait? What was the case the day before, and the day before that, and the day before that?

How many days of relative peace did we have? Had the US not lifted its blockade? Had the US not allowed Iran to trade it’s oil? Was the Strait not in relative peace and ships transiting smoothly? In that instance, it was not the US but Iran which decided to violate the MoU. And dude, for what? Was it not in Iran’s interest to continue with the MoU, turning it into an agreement vetted by the UNSC through which Iran could continue to trade its oil unincumbered, utilize the return of its seized assets and funds and return to commerce with the whole world? even the willingness of the US to discuss the possibility of reconstruction of Iran was a positive incentive.

 

[Mav3rick]

If the news is "true"( unlikely given the source), Iran would have been wise to move as much of its military industry and other expensive equipment into storage in the mountains to ride out the war, that is common sense.

Mossad and Israel have been leaking false intel to persuade the world to go to war against Iran. Nothing that comes out of Israel can be trusted.

 

[Mav3rick]

Iranians can correct me here, the thinking on the Iranian side is they need to control the SOH for leverage against negotiations with the US. twice or thrice they held negotiations for the US not to meet the commitments and then bomb them. There is little to no trust on either side. The only way they can enforce control is by ensuring ships pass through their controlled corridor. Oman, the US likely the other GCC countries dont want Iran to control the SOH so they set up the Oman side corridor which led to direct conflict.

Hitting civilian targets are wrong but you need to look at this in the eyes of why the Iranians need to do what they are, they know its existential for them so having leverage over the SOH is key otherwise trump will put an indefinite blockade when he wants to force Iran to do what he says. The US has a history of bad faith negotiations, unfortunately unlikely to change with current admin.

That is indeed their case, but through their case they are violating rights of other countries which have nothing to do with the war. And that's wrong. They can do whatever they want to do with the US and Israel but none of their actions should inconvenience countries like Pakistan in any way. And yet their actions are putting strain on our economy. How can anyone justify that?

 

[Eşbah]

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This was so unexpected. /s

 

[FUB]

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[SecularNationalist]

Why is Pakistan still waisting time on brokering a ceasefire? This time let's accept ceasefire isn't the solution. Let the winner of war decide what's next.
Let the US,isreal and gulf bitches take the ultimate beating of their history so they finally learn to be humble and start respecting the world that revolves around them.

 

[FUB]

Everything is fake

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[Master Chief]

The problem with people like you is that you cannot read between the lines, you need a book to understand things which others can understand in 5 paragraphs. And then you vent your frustrations while blaming others for your own shortcomings.

My whole argument has been the attack on the 3 Civilian Ships transiting the strait which Iran hit and then everything went haywire. Before that, attacks had virtually stopped everywhere. There was relative peace and hope all around. And trump may be a conman, but he is also a simpleton who cannot control his emotions and feelings. Else, in which timeline would he ever have had cursed Nethanyahu??

It is your opinion that Trump wants total capitulation from Iran, had that been the case, Trump would have been striking all the power stations, power grids, water storages, oil storages and other critical civilian infrastructure which he has clearly not done on a large scale. He could just have ordered MOABs or even could literally have used Tactical or Conventional Nukes. I mean the attacks would have been relentless; Trump has so much destruction as his disposal that it is sometimes unbelievable that people still think Iran can actually defeat the US in a war. This is insanity.

And I said we could have expected the US to violate the MoU but not the Iranian side. And yet it turned out the Iranians were the ones who first shot down the US Helo and then targeted the 3 Civilian Vessels targeting the Strait.

Article 1 of the Islamabad MoU:

"The Islamic Republic of Iran and the United States, together with their allies
in the current war, declare upon the signing of this Memorandum of
Understanding an immediate and permanent end to the war on all fronts,
including Lebanon, and undertake that from now on they will not launch any
hostile action against each other, and will refrain from the threat or use of force against each other. The final agreement will confirm the provisions of this Article and the remaining Articles."

Israel broke the terms of this article before any hostile actions occurred in the Strait. Could Iran have been patient and shown leniency to its enemies? Sure, I suppose. But it's ultimately their prerogative, in view of Tel Aviv's discordant action.

 

[Hayabusa]

I wil

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l will never believe anything coming out from the Jewish media. They definitely have an interest in striking Iran. If anything, this is just deception in motion.

 

[retaxis]

Looks like usa not winning the battle of Hormuz. They didnt have the munitions and ground forces to win it anyway. Invading those islands is also suicide for usa.

If iran was worried they would be hit oil facilities and desalination plants non stop. Fact that iran isn't doing so shows they still have cards to play and mandeb straight to blockade.

 

[Meengla]

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I don't see how Americans could ever be comfortable hosting their troops anywhere near Iran after the recent Iranian attack on the base in Jordan which killed and injured many American servicemen. And Jordan was a good distance from Iran. So unless there is regime change in Iran, the American presence in the vicinity of Iran is ending or has already ended. And that leaves Israel as a concentrated presence for American hardware but that's straining Israel's civilian facilities plus also provided targets for Iran in a much smaller area.

 

[lightning f57]

That is indeed their case, but through their case they are violating rights of other countries which have nothing to do with the war. And that's wrong. They can do whatever they want to do with the US and Israel but none of their actions should inconvenience countries like Pakistan in any way. And yet their actions are putting strain on our economy. How can anyone justify that?

We are in a zero sum game, its existential for Iran, they will go to extremes if they feel they have to, luckily we have not seen extremes and I hope it stays that way.

 

[lightning f57]

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Why would they, they lit the fire and can sit back.

 

[Meengla]

What was the case on the day Iran attacked the 3 civilian vessels transiting the Strait? What was the case the day before, and the day before that, and the day before that?
How many days of relative peace did we have? Had the US not lifted its blockade? Had the US not allowed Iran to trade it’s oil?

Right. Lethal fire on those oil tankers was not needed. A sea captain wouldn't take the risk of passing through if mere threats of violence was made. That was an Iranian mistake. But, per Trita, the American reaction to that too was a disproportionate. There was a middle ground. But here we are. Maybe there are talks going on to come to that middle ground. Maybe!