Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Immortals said:
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Thousands of centrifuges were moved to Iran’s deeply buried nuclear site known as PickAxe Mountain after the 12 day war.

Will Iran dash for the bomb? Has it already been doing it? Is PickAxe just a diversion for the real small facility that is doing the enrichment and weaponization peace?

Assuming Iran started building a bomb in fall of 2025, then logic would dictate it would be ready for testing by the end of this year.
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Under Ali Khamenei Iran planned to be a nuclear threshold state that will not build a nuclear weapon but will have enrichment facilities as a hedge.

But after US and Israel attacked Iran, killed lots of Iranian leaders and tried to topple the regime, Iran now views US as a direct existential threat.

US killed Iranian leaders, tried to topple the regime and the only reason US didn't destroy Iran's civilian infrastructure is because Iran will respond by destroying Gulf oil facilities.

US now is an existential threat and this means Iran has no other choice but to build nuclear weapons in the next 6-24 months for guaranteeing its security.

Technically, as according to Theodore Postol, 3 cascades of IR-6 centrifuges (522 IR-6 centrifuges) can enrich these 440kg of uranium in 2 months to build 10 nuclear bombs and this will be enough to deter at least Israel.

It is obvious that after US aggression Iran will NEVER hand over its enriched uranium.
 
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Shags101 said:

Qatar seeks compensation for Iranian attacks​


By Mohamed Vall
Reporting from Doha, Qatar
Qatar has sent letters to the UN Security Council and the UN Secretary General detailing what it describes as repeated Iranian attacks on the country.

The letters cite the July 7 attack on the Qatari tanker Al Rekayyat and a missile attack on Qatar on July 12, which Doha says its armed forces repelled.

Qatar says the attacks violated international law and relevant UN Security Council resolutions. It is seeking compensation for the resulting damage and says it reserves the right to respond.

The letters come as tensions continue in the Strait of Hormuz. UK Maritime Trade Operations reported another incident involving a vessel near Oman, the second such case in about 24 hours.

The vessel was travelling close to what is known as the southern route. Iran says ships using that route without coordinating with Tehran violate the Memorandum of Understanding governing traffic through the strait.

Tehran accuses the United States and other countries of promoting the route to weaken Iranian control over shipping, keeping the waterway at the centre of the escalating confrontation.

Fair if Iran is paid back first I think they have a long list Israel trump Saudi Arabia UAE Qatar Kuwait Jordan Bahrain Oman Azeribajan and honestly let’s throw most of Western Europe for allowing bases in their countries to be used for the war
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They should pay us or else we will destroy them ...
 
Immortals said:
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Thousands of centrifuges were moved to Iran’s deeply buried nuclear site known as PickAxe Mountain after the 12 day war.

Will Iran dash for the bomb? Has it already been doing it? Is PickAxe just a diversion for the real small facility that is doing the enrichment and weaponization peace?

Assuming Iran started building a bomb in fall of 2025, then logic would dictate it would be ready for testing by the end of this year.
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The name is Kollang , why these idiots translate name ?!
 
RzA said:
More attacks underway. Bahrain and Kuwait back on the menu and more tankers with a titanic like ending.
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With the constant and continues degratation of USA air defense network , their power projection will become limited and they will even get caught in more surprise attacks
 
Flotilla said:
No, MOU was never implemented.
Just after signing, US Navy began to create a "south corridor" attached to Omanese coastline to deprive Irán of controlling the Straits of Homuz.
Irán didn´t attacked "innocent civilians ships", they were full cooperating with US Navy to void the article 5 of the MOU.
So they were NOT innocent.
Even before starting hostilities a US MH60S was lost with a colonel inside when doing this escorting missions.
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Who has given Iran the mandate to "Control" the Strait of Hormuz? Just because Iran can target Civilian Vessels navigating the Strait, it does not mean that Iran automatically gets the right to "control" anything there.

In this context, would Pakistan be in the right if it created a "Control" on all Iranian Tankers and other Iranian Civilian Ships leaving the Strait and to sink them if they don't heed our instructions??
 
PakistanLVR said:
You make no sense. You’re talking like someone with a tradition Pakistani mentality, bury your and react to events instead of confronting them head on. Attacks on Lebanon didn’t come to an end even after the MOU, they only ended when Iran attacked them from the strikes on Beirut.
Trump is a conmen who goes for optics to fool people like you - “he was visibly annoyed” lmao. Okay.

They will continue to test the resolve of the Iranians until Iran capitulates to their full demands. I don’t blame your thinking, some people in Pakistan are intellectually passive and do not understand the concept of assertiveness and forward-thinking to understand what the environment and the best way to deal with events.

One hand you say that Trump and Israel will break the MOU (which btw they started doing even after the MOU signed), then you claim that the Iranians gave them the reason. Your comments shows severe lacking of understanding about the events in the Middle East. Offering surrender as viable options to Iran. I f**ken hate that Indic mentality of Mitti Pao. The world works in the opposite manner.
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The problem with people like you is that you cannot read between the lines, you need a book to understand things which others can understand in 5 paragraphs. And then you vent your frustrations while blaming others for your own shortcomings.

My whole argument has been the attack on the 3 Civilian Ships transiting the strait which Iran hit and then everything went haywire. Before that, attacks had virtually stopped everywhere. There was relative peace and hope all around. And trump may be a conman, but he is also a simpleton who cannot control his emotions and feelings. Else, in which timeline would he ever have had cursed Nethanyahu??

It is your opinion that Trump wants total capitulation from Iran, had that been the case, Trump would have been striking all the power stations, power grids, water storages, oil storages and other critical civilian infrastructure which he has clearly not done on a large scale. He could just have ordered MOABs or even could literally have used Tactical or Conventional Nukes. I mean the attacks would have been relentless; Trump has so much destruction as his disposal that it is sometimes unbelievable that people still think Iran can actually defeat the US in a war. This is insanity.

And I said we could have expected the US to violate the MoU but not the Iranian side. And yet it turned out the Iranians were the ones who first shot down the US Helo and then targeted the 3 Civilian Vessels targeting the Strait.
 
Mav3rick said:
The problem with people like you is that you cannot read between the lines, you need a book to understand things which others can understand in 5 paragraphs. And then you vent your frustrations while blaming others for your own shortcomings.

My whole argument has been the attack on the 3 Civilian Ships transiting the strait which Iran hit and then everything went haywire. Before that, attacks had virtually stopped everywhere. There was relative peace and hope all around. And trump may be a conman, but he is also a simpleton who cannot control his emotions and feelings. Else, in which timeline would he ever have had cursed Nethanyahu??

It is your opinion that Trump wants total capitulation from Iran, had that been the case, Trump would have been striking all the power stations, power grids, water storages, oil storages and other critical civilian infrastructure which he has clearly not done on a large scale. He could just have ordered MOABs or even could literally have used Tactical or Conventional Nukes. I mean the attacks would have been relentless; Trump has so much destruction as his disposal that it is sometimes unbelievable that people still think Iran can actually defeat the US in a war. This is insanity.

And I said we could have expected the US to violate the MoU but not the Iranian side. And yet it turned out the Iranians were the ones who first shot down the US Helo and then targeted the 3 Civilian Vessels targeting the Strait.
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Why are you telling such lies?
After the memorandum of understanding was signed on June 15, Trump ordered consecutive direct airstrikes on the Iranian mainland on June 21, June 26, and June 27. The ceasefire was never observed. While Trump completely violated every provision of the memorandum of understanding, Iran unilaterally exercised restraint. It was Trump, not Iran, who broke the agreement. Please base your statements on the facts. The fact that Iran finally reached its limit, waited until July 6, and then carried out a small-scale attack on just a few tankers that had violated the agreement was purely an act of self-defense.
 
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U.S. still using expensive munitions
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They are using stand off projectiles, that just shows they are afraid of going deep in our skies ...
If they want to penetrate deep inside our air space , they have to conduct massive SEAD operation again but probably this is hard for them due constant attack on their bases
 
Mav3rick said:
Who has given Iran the mandate to "Control" the Strait of Hormuz? Just because Iran can target Civilian Vessels navigating the Strait, it does not mean that Iran automatically gets the right to "control" anything there.

In this context, would Pakistan be in the right if it created a "Control" on all Iranian Tankers and other Iranian Civilian Ships leaving the Strait and to sink them if they don't heed our instructions??
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Whats your issue mate? West showed there is no need for mandates just need force, they showed this was the case by invading Iraq without UN resolution

if by Iran strategic location It has the will and can enforce it by blowing any tanker going thru waters close to its coast it controls straits.

What mandate did arab piglets have to host forces hostile to Iran and for those forces to assasinate Iran leaders kill innocent kids and start an illegal war?
 
I think everyone and their dog know you simply cannot control Straits of Hormuz

also they cant defeat Iran

so what's with this new round off escalation

this war will only end when American public sees dozens of body bags landing at US Air Bases and they protest against US actions

Iran needs work out rotation pattern of the US soldiers mess halls

send one missile level the place with dozens killed and 100s of injured

lets see US stomach that scene

US Beirut bombings 1983 US withdrew from Lebanon

we need something like that again
 
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New launches. Hoping for more damages and possibly greater equipment damages. Glad Iran taking advantage of the declining air defences.
 
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