Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Persian Gulf]

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U.S. still using expensive munitions

 

[Garcia Sea]

The problem with people like you is that you cannot read between the lines, you need a book to understand things which others can understand in 5 paragraphs. And then you vent your frustrations while blaming others for your own shortcomings.

My whole argument has been the attack on the 3 Civilian Ships transiting the strait which Iran hit and then everything went haywire. Before that, attacks had virtually stopped everywhere. There was relative peace and hope all around. And trump may be a conman, but he is also a simpleton who cannot control his emotions and feelings. Else, in which timeline would he ever have had cursed Nethanyahu??

It is your opinion that Trump wants total capitulation from Iran, had that been the case, Trump would have been striking all the power stations, power grids, water storages, oil storages and other critical civilian infrastructure which he has clearly not done on a large scale. He could just have ordered MOABs or even could literally have used Tactical or Conventional Nukes. I mean the attacks would have been relentless; Trump has so much destruction as his disposal that it is sometimes unbelievable that people still think Iran can actually defeat the US in a war. This is insanity.

And I said we could have expected the US to violate the MoU but not the Iranian side. And yet it turned out the Iranians were the ones who first shot down the US Helo and then targeted the 3 Civilian Vessels targeting the Strait.

Why are you telling such lies?
After the memorandum of understanding was signed on June 15, Trump ordered consecutive direct airstrikes on the Iranian mainland on June 21, June 26, and June 27. The ceasefire was never observed. While Trump completely violated every provision of the memorandum of understanding, Iran unilaterally exercised restraint. It was Trump, not Iran, who broke the agreement. Please base your statements on the facts. The fact that Iran finally reached its limit, waited until July 6, and then carried out a small-scale attack on just a few tankers that had violated the agreement was purely an act of self-defense.

 

[OldTwilight]

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U.S. still using expensive munitions

They are using stand off projectiles, that just shows they are afraid of going deep in our skies ...
If they want to penetrate deep inside our air space , they have to conduct massive SEAD operation again but probably this is hard for them due constant attack on their bases

 

[Aryan_B]

Who has given Iran the mandate to "Control" the Strait of Hormuz? Just because Iran can target Civilian Vessels navigating the Strait, it does not mean that Iran automatically gets the right to "control" anything there.

In this context, would Pakistan be in the right if it created a "Control" on all Iranian Tankers and other Iranian Civilian Ships leaving the Strait and to sink them if they don't heed our instructions??

Whats your issue mate? West showed there is no need for mandates just need force, they showed this was the case by invading Iraq without UN resolution

if by Iran strategic location It has the will and can enforce it by blowing any tanker going thru waters close to its coast it controls straits.

What mandate did arab piglets have to host forces hostile to Iran and for those forces to assasinate Iran leaders kill innocent kids and start an illegal war?

 

[Aziqbal]

I think everyone and their dog know you simply cannot control Straits of Hormuz

also they cant defeat Iran

so what's with this new round off escalation

this war will only end when American public sees dozens of body bags landing at US Air Bases and they protest against US actions

Iran needs work out rotation pattern of the US soldiers mess halls

send one missile level the place with dozens killed and 100s of injured

lets see US stomach that scene

US Beirut bombings 1983 US withdrew from Lebanon

we need something like that again

 

[Hayabusa]

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New launches. Hoping for more damages and possibly greater equipment damages. Glad Iran taking advantage of the declining air defences.

 

[RescueRanger]

She was probably a muslim hating redneck who reveled at the destruction of gaza, good fking riddance i say.

Latino can't be rednecks.

 

[Flotilla]

Who has given Iran the mandate to "Control" the Strait of Hormuz? Just because Iran can target Civilian Vessels navigating the Strait, it does not mean that Iran automatically gets the right to "control" anything there.

MOU article 5.
But hey, who gave US permission to kill Soleimani in 2020?.
Who gave permission to kill Khamanei during negotiations in 2025?
Who gave Israel permission to invade Syria?. Who gave permission Israel to annex Cisjordania and Al Quds?.
Who??...
Don't come at me now with squeamishness and nitpicking interpretations of international laws that are deader than the Dead Sea. If international doctrine is a total moron, then it's time to kill with no tomorrow.

 

[Lulldapull]

Iran is beautifully dismantling Arab domes. These piglets were practically iron dom states to protect israil while pumping oil.

If their long range radars, interecptors are gone. Attacking israil will be easier for Iran and swarm of drones can also be sent. Iran should continoue to pound these bases in kuwait bahrain and jordan for some time.

The US/ GCC ABM grid has collapsed!

Iran has blinded them completely.

I bet you now Iran is using much older missile/ drone stocks from a decade ago no?

Eezy peezy practically no defenses at all.

 

[Ravenman]

Sticks fighting? That's smart move by China.

ZERO experiences since Korean wars which was outdated and long times ago.

I believe they are too scared of US intervention near their places.

Here's proof:

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[Ravenman]

The main things you need is about 100-200 centrifuges of IR-6 or IR-4 generation. That can be packed into pretty small halls in a mountain or underneath a city or anywhere really. Remember that Pakistan went nuclear with AQ Khan’s Gen 1 design aka IR-1 design. IR-6 is 5x to 10x more efficient (SWU). That means 1 IR-6 centuries can do the work of at least 5 Pakistani Khan Gen 1 centrifuges from 30+ years ago.

So Spin the 60% uranium to weapons grade.

Then take the uranium and fashion it into uranium metal core (certain facilities can do this ad hoc since the main facility was destroyed in the 12 day war).

After that fashion the bridge detonator to create the chain reaction needed (this was likely solved in the early 2000s).

Ideally Iran would need at least 4-5 bombs.

1 to detonate for testing. And a 2nd to detonate 2 weeks later to show the West that:

A) first detonation wasn’t a fluke

B) they have more than one nuke

Weaponization to get it to fit on a missile warhead will take longer, but Iran isn’t trying to race to get this on a missile.

As I said when this war began, if Iran started sprinting for the bomb after the 12 day war then it should be testing it by the end of this year.

If they don’t test by end of this year, then it’s likely that the order was never given.

Where do you gonna test it?

In the Indian Ocean? Next to Diego Garcia?

 

[Ali_Baba]

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Thousands of centrifuges were moved to Iran’s deeply buried nuclear site known as PickAxe Mountain after the 12 day war.

Will Iran dash for the bomb? Has it already been doing it? Is PickAxe just a diversion for the real small facility that is doing the enrichment and weaponization peace?

Assuming Iran started building a bomb in fall of 2025, then logic would dictate it would be ready for testing by the end of this year.

If the news is "true"( unlikely given the source), Iran would have been wise to move as much of its military industry and other expensive equipment into storage in the mountains to ride out the war, that is common sense.

 

[Mav3rick]

Whats your issue mate? West showed there is no need for mandates just need force, they showed this was the case by invading Iraq without UN resolution

if by Iran strategic location It has the will and can enforce it by blowing any tanker going thru waters close to its coast it controls straits.

What mandate did arab piglets have to host forces hostile to Iran and for those forces to assasinate Iran leaders kill innocent kids and start an illegal war?

And so Pakistan will also be within its right to sink any Iranian vessel that passes within its range, correct? It's coming to might is right logic, yeah?

Why should I care what the Arab countries do or have done? I care about Pakistan's rights and Pakistan's interest and right now it is NOT the Arab countries but rather the Iranians holding the Strait hostage. I would have no problems with them if today they announce that all Ships bound from or for Pakistan would be free to pass through the Strait.

 

[Mav3rick]

MOU article 5.
But hey, who gave US permission to kill Soleimani in 2020?.
Who gave permission to kill Khamanei during negotiations in 2025?
Who gave Israel permission to invade Syria?. Who gave permission Israel to annex Cisjordania and Al Quds?.
Who??...
Don't come at me now with squeamishness and nitpicking interpretations of international laws that are deader than the Dead Sea. If international doctrine is a total moron, then it's time to kill with no tomorrow.

It is warmongers like you on both sides because of which the situation is such today. Coming to me with crimes of the US and Israel as if I have justified any of their actions or defended any of their crimes against Humanity!!

 

[lightning f57]

And so Pakistan will also be within its right to sink any Iranian vessel that passes within its range, correct? It's coming to might is right logic, yeah?

Why should I care what the Arab countries do or have done? I care about Pakistan's rights and Pakistan's interest and right now it is NOT the Arab countries but rather the Iranians holding the Strait hostage. I would have no problems with them if today they announce that all Ships bound from or for Pakistan would be free to pass through the Strait.

Iranians can correct me here, the thinking on the Iranian side is they need to control the SOH for leverage against negotiations with the US. twice or thrice they held negotiations for the US not to meet the commitments and then bomb them. There is little to no trust on either side. The only way they can enforce control is by ensuring ships pass through their controlled corridor. Oman, the US likely the other GCC countries dont want Iran to control the SOH so they set up the Oman side corridor which led to direct conflict.

Hitting civilian targets are wrong but you need to look at this in the eyes of why the Iranians need to do what they are, they know its existential for them so having leverage over the SOH is key otherwise trump will put an indefinite blockade when he wants to force Iran to do what he says. The US has a history of bad faith negotiations, unfortunately unlikely to change with current admin.