Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[Oscar]

I don't think Pakistan will need KSA land forces to join any attack or counter attack on India in case of war, for Pakistan this PACT means KSA will provide Oil on loans and if in a case of a long war we can expect flow of oil, and after few billions to keep our economy afloat. But I really hope to see that in return of our security forces in KSA we should work towards getting investments from KSA which will benefit both KSA/Pakistan.

always a snicker that everyone is commenting on the pact as if they have certified copies of it in their wallets.

 

[Aryan_B]

always a snicker that everyone is commenting on the pact as if they have certified copies of it in their wallets.

I agree with what you say. I was talking about from track record and past dealings that Pakistan is unikely to attack any Muslim country on behalf of saudi despots imo no matter what the agreement says

 

[Starlord]

always a snicker that everyone is commenting on the pact as if they have certified copies of it in their wallets.

its all hopes and wishes for most of us, but its a forum where we discuss ideas, possibilities and troll so i'd say its fun and no harm in people over-exaggerating or under-exaggerating its content.

 

[gamaji]

unfortunately you failed to mention why you called Muslim/Arab countries in the first place, allow their bases and territories to be used by western aggressors as the launching point for attacking another Muslim nation you seems not to be in your favour.

This is the key to understand the causation before pointing fingers to who is fault.

You ignore although Iran only contributes to a small fraction of the total oils imported by China, this fraction settled in Chinese yuan instead of USD, this is significant for China to promote her own currency settlement, especially when yanks weaponising USD more and more. For the same reason Yanks overthrew Venezuela previous regime so that Oil exported to China will no longer settled in Yuan. Further earlier, Saddam was hanged because he attempted to settle Iraqi oil exports in non usd currency.

In old Chinese saying, enemy’s enemy is your friend. Losing Iran will harm China’s position strategically, given yanks are enforcing their Cold War style alliance to block China in every front and attacking directly ( weak nations such as Venezuela, Iran) or through proxy war against ( Russia) China’s mere friendly nations left.

It's strange that you shamelessly continue insisting on the fascist mentality by objecting on other sovereign states for allowing US or other countries to have bases on their land. It's none of Iranian mullahs' business. These are free states and have the right to allow or disallow anyone to use their land. Iranian mullahs have no right to object on what other countries do. Why don't you understand this basic logic?

If those bases are not used to attack Iran, and I am sure that was the true at least in a few cases, then it's aggression on the part of Iranian mullahs to attack those bases or, even worse, the other infrastructure in those countries. Why you are unable or unwilling to understand this simple thing?

If the US or Israel attack and destroy Iranian water or power plants, which law or logic allows Iranians to destroy the water and power plants in Arab states. I hope you have at least a tiny working brain to understand at least the basics.

 

[gamaji]

It's strange that you shamelessly continue insisting on the fascist mentality by objecting on other sovereign states for allowing US or other countries to have bases on their land. It's none of Iranian mullahs' business. These are free states and have the right to allow or disallow anyone to use their land. Iranian mullahs have no right to object on what other countries do. Why don't you understand this basic logic?

If those bases are not used to attack Iran, and I am sure that was the true at least in a few cases, then it's aggression on the part of Iranian mullahs to attack those bases or, even worse, the other infrastructure in those countries. Why you are unable or unwilling to understand this simple thing?

If the US or Israel attack and destroy Iranian water or power plants, which law or logic allows Iranians to destroy the water and power plants in Arab states. I hope you have at least a tiny working brain to understand at least the basics.

All these Arab state attacked by Iran should approach some international forum/court to claim heavy damages from Iran and request the money be paid to them from the frozen Iranian assets. After all, these states never declared a war against Iran, but rather, quite contrary, they publicly announced not to be a party in this war at all.

A spade needs to be called a spade. The biggest evil actor in this region is the terrorist group known as IRGC. It's not a formal military. There is no accountability in this terrorist group at all. I don't think these goons were ever taught any military ethics. They were created for creating terror inside and out of Iran and are accountable to only Iranian religious leader.

 

[Falgrine]

All these Arab state attacked by Iran should approach some international forum/court to claim heavy damages from Iran and request the money be paid to them from the frozen Iranian assets. After all, these states never declared a war against Iran, but rather, quite contrary, they publicly announced not to be a party in this war at all.

A spade needs to be called a spade. The biggest evil actor in this region is the terrorist group known as IRGC. It's not a formal military. There is no accountability in this terrorist group at all. I don't think these goons were ever taught any military ethics. They were created for creating terror inside and out of Iran and are accountable to only Iranian religious leader.

Who the hell asked them to let their land bases, airspace and the waters to be used against another Muslim country. How had asked them to support Saddam against Iran in the 80s and then AQ/ISIS against them in the 90s all the way until very recently when the Salafis embraced the now halal Western modernization.

I think that GCC piglets are in the find out phase.

 

[gamaji]

All these Arab state attacked by Iran should approach some international forum/court to claim heavy damages from Iran and request the money be paid to them from the frozen Iranian assets. After all, these states never declared a war against Iran, but rather, quite contrary, they publicly announced not to be a party in this war at all.

A spade needs to be called a spade. The biggest evil actor in this region is the terrorist group known as IRGC. It's not a formal military. There is no accountability in this terrorist group at all. I don't think these goons were ever taught any military ethics. They were created for creating terror inside and out of Iran and are accountable to only Iranian religious leader.

Domestically, the IRGC goons dictate and control the elected/representative government of Iran. They get most of the budget and much better weapons than what the regular Iranian army gets. The only reason that Iran has no air force is that these goons cannot maintain and fly fighter jets.

The goons of IRGC have killed at least 43,000 (and according to some reports up to 200,000) innocent Iranians on streets who were protesting in January this year alone. The foreign minister of Iran and the speaker of Iranian parliament were publicly humiliated just a week ago as traitors for signing the MoU and now have been sidelined from negotiations, if any.

The elected government, which is accountable to the people of Iran, wants to end the war and stop the death and destruction that the common Iranians are enduring. The new supreme mullah, if not incapacitated, has not met the president or foreign minister yet. The goons of IRGC, on the other hand, see an end to their reign if the war stops. The widespread celebrations in Iran on the death of the Iranian supreme leader indicate that mullahs have kept a stranglehold on Iranian people only through the power of bullet. Contrary to lies of funeral gatherings of tens of millions people, most observers estimate the number not more than a million.

 

[RescueRanger]

always a snicker that everyone is commenting on the pact as if they have certified copies of it in their wallets.

But, but, but Mr. XYZ on YouTube said so, so it must be true!

 

[gamaji]

Domestically, the IRGC goons dictate and control the elected/representative government of Iran. They get most of the budget and much better weapons than what the regular Iranian army gets. The only reason that Iran has no air force is that these goons cannot maintain and fly fighter jets.

The goons of IRGC have killed at least 43,000 (and according to some reports up to 200,000) innocent Iranians on streets who were protesting in January this year alone. The foreign minister of Iran and the speaker of Iranian parliament were publicly humiliated just a week ago as traitors for signing the MoU and now have been sidelined from negotiations, if any.

The elected government, which is accountable to the people of Iran, wants to end the war and stop the death and destruction that the common Iranians are enduring. The new supreme mullah, if not incapacitated, has not met the president or foreign minister yet. The goons of IRGC, on the other hand, see an end to their reign if the war stops. The widespread celebrations in Iran on the death of the Iranian supreme leader indicate that mullahs have kept a stranglehold on Iranian people only through the power of bullet. Contrary to lies of funeral gatherings of tens of millions people, most observers estimate the number not more than a million.

On the regional/international level, the evil role of IRGC goons is even more ugly and devastating. Like Iblees, IRGC have created a strong and vast web of terror groups and proxies for killings and control in other countries. So, while bypassing the elected Iranian government, IRGC murderers created their terrorist proxies in almost every regional country. The goons of IRGC would move and use those terrorist proxies to topple or empower foreign governments and to kill innocent Muslims there. The obvious examples are Iraq, Lebanon, and Syria. Just in Syria, the goons of IRGC and Iranians terrorist proxies from Lebanon, Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan reportedly killed more than a million Sunni Muslims. After the downfall of Asad's Syrian government, these murderers returned to their respective countries and started killing people there too. IRGC proxy, Hezbollah, in Lebanon created a state within the state and became more powerful than the elected Lebanese government. Similarly IRGC proxies in Iraq were found firing missiles and drones on multiple Arab countries during this war. The trained Pakistani proxies of Iranian IRGC have turned into hardened terrorists and have become a challenge for the state of Pakistan.

These evil of IRGGC use the name of Islam to spread their evil tentacles deeper and wider in Iran and the region. What kind of Islamic warriors are these IRGC goons when they find allies in Mushrik Hindutva (the most evil fanatics among Hindus in India) terrorists? These self-claimed saviors of Islam accepted Zionist weapons to kill Iraqi Muslims, helped/facilitated Americans to occupy Afghanistan and kill Afghan Muslims, actively supported Armenians in their war against Shia Azerbaijani Muslims, Killed a million or more Muslims in Syria, attacked and killed Muslims in Arab states and joined hands with RAW in killing scores of Pakistani Muslims. In fact, these utterly prejudice evils believe in only Irani nationalism and get satisfaction by shedding the Muslim blood wherever and whenever possible.

The only potentially good outcome of this war, if achieved at all, would be to weaken the IRGC's stranglehold on the Iranian people and their elected government. The Ibleesi web of IRGC in Iran has a strong and parallel structure to control the Irani system and its resources. They have killed score of innocent Iranians with impunity and yet no one was held accountable or brought to justice. The end of this evil structure would not only greatly reduce the terrorism in this whole region but also allow the Irani people to rise and play a constructive role in the development and prosperity in this region.

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

These coward and traitor Arab rulers are allowing the US military bases in their countries to be used against Iran. They should first end the reason why Iran retaliating against these traitors of Arab and Muslim causes.

 

[Watandar]

On the regional/international level, the evil role of IRGC goons is even more ugly and devastating. Like Iblees, IRGC have created a strong and vast web of terror groups and proxies for killings and control in other countries. So, while bypassing the elected Iranian government, IRGC murderers created their terrorist proxies in almost every regional country. The goons of IRGC would move and use those terrorist proxies to topple or empower foreign governments and to kill innocent Muslims there. The obvious examples are Iraq, Lebanon, and Syria. Just in Syria, the goons of IRGC and Iranians terrorist proxies from Lebanon, Iraq, Pakistan, and Afghanistan reportedly killed more than a million Sunni Muslims. After the downfall of Asad's Syrian government, these murderers returned to their respective countries and started killing people there too. IRGC proxy, Hezbollah, in Lebanon created a state within the state and became more powerful than the elected Lebanese government. Similarly IRGC proxies in Iraq were found firing missiles and drones on multiple Arab countries during this war. The trained Pakistani proxies of Iranian IRGC have turned into hardened terrorists and have become a challenge for the state of Pakistan.

These evil of IRGGC use the name of Islam to spread their evil tentacles deeper and wider in Iran and the region. What kind of Islamic warriors are these IRGC goons when they find allies in Mushrik Hindutva (the most evil fanatics among Hindus in India) terrorists? These self-claimed saviors of Islam accepted Zionist weapons to kill Iraqi Muslims, helped/facilitated Americans to occupy Afghanistan and kill Afghan Muslims, actively supported Armenians in their war against Shia Azerbaijani Muslims, Killed a million or more Muslims in Syria, attacked and killed Muslims in Arab states and joined hands with RAW in killing scores of Pakistani Muslims. In fact, these utterly prejudice evils believe in only Irani nationalism and get satisfaction by shedding the Muslim blood wherever and whenever possible.

The only potentially good outcome of this war, if achieved at all, would be to weaken the IRGC's stranglehold on the Iranian people and their elected government. The Ibleesi web of IRGC in Iran has a strong and parallel structure to control the Irani system and its resources. They have killed score of innocent Iranians with impunity and yet no one was held accountable or brought to justice. The end of this evil structure would not only greatly reduce the terrorism in this whole region but also allow the Irani people to rise and play a constructive role in the development and prosperity in this region.

Yeah Taliban, Alqaeda, ISIS, RSF are creations of IRGC lol. Osama Bin Ladin and Al-Jolani were run from Tehran ?

What I take away from your silly posts is the GCC satraps must be taking a real phenta from Iranians!

Saudis must not pull Pakistan into a war they openly encouraged and enabled the US to launch. I don't care about this pact that no more than 3 or 4 people in the entirely of Pakistan have read.

 

[RescueRanger]

Yeah Taliban, Alqaeda, ISIS, RSF are creations of IRGC lol. Osama Bin Ladin and Al-Jolani were run from Tehran ?

What I take away from your silly posts is the GCC satraps must be taking a real phenta from Iranians!

Saudis must not pull Pakistan into a war they openly encouraged and enabled the US to launch. I don't care about this pact that no more than 3 or 4 people in the entirely of Pakistan have read.

I understand your trepidation, but this is an issue for the state of Pakistan.

 

[Oscar]

I agree with what you say. I was talking about from track record and past dealings that Pakistan is unikely to attack any Muslim country on behalf of saudi despots imo no matter what the agreement says

Pakistan may end up attacking the Houthis if need be - it does not want to and has conveyed that to Iran and through other channels.

But it will if it must.

 

[Watandar]

Pakistan may end up attacking the Houthis if need be - it does not want to and has conveyed that to Iran and through other channels.

But it will if it must.

Pakistan can do some pinprick airstrikes on the Houthis, for the sake of show , like the airstrikes on the Taliban. It may even send a Navy ship. None of that will make a substantial difference to anything.

 

[Saifullah]

Fears of ground invasion or raids into Saudi territory by Houthis or Iraqi militias is probably why Saudi needs Pakistan. Otherwise Saudis have everything they need. If things escalate into a full scale regional war there’ll probably be ground war in multiple countries in the Middle East. Saudis need Pakistani manpower even if Pakistan is short on manpower itself. Whatever help Pakistan gives will probably not be enough for any direct confrontation between Iran and Pakistan anyways.