Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[FUB]

 

[PakistanLVR]

Saw this comment on YouTube:

"Bezalel Smotrich's comment echoes one Lindsey Graham once said about Ukraine. Graham once said that the proxy war in Ukraine was the best investment the US could make, as no US soldiers were dying, we were weakening Russia, and we're making big bucks for our MIC. But Smotrich may be speaking to soon, because Israel may well be in Iran's sights very soon. Iran has destroyed so many US bases and radar systems that the US is now pulling the rest back -- to Israel. You can bet the Butcher of Gaza is shaking in his boots that US planes sheltered in Israel will put a huge target on Israel's back. People are asking why Iran isn't bombing Israel right now, but why go after the parasite when you can destroy the host? Getting the US out of the ME will isolate and defang Israel, and that would be a huge victory for the ME and the world."

 

[PakistanLVR]

"Mullahs" Every Islamophobe c0ksucker favorite derog word to describe Muslims.

 

[Zartosht]

You can thank China and Xi the Western appeaser. He halted oil imports the month of June which saved the global market about 5-6MBPD of oil.

Xi has always been happy to run to the West to give them concessions just like his ally across the border Vladimir Putin.

Xi will stop buying oil, but send Iran critical raw materials.

China doesnt owe Iran anything. They will do what benefits china.

China wants to delay their inevitable conflict with the west as long as possible. Everyday they are getting stronger then the west and time is on their side..

Blame Irans own leadership

 

[Professor Jiang]

This is not a video game.

My country, my family an my history is being destroyed. I hae every right to question some nobody crown akhond destroying my country with his stupidity

God this is tedious. Can you people not go two minutes without blaming 'Da Mullahz' for everything?

 

[PakistanLVR]

 

[FUB]

This is not a video game.

My country, my family an my history is being destroyed. I hae every right to question some nobody crown akhond destroying my country with his stupidity

My recommendation for youngsters and people that are deeply involved in retail politics:
1-best place to start is to read all the unclassified archives of operation Ajax
2-read the history of Iran over the last 100+ years and understand the contemporary Geo politics
3-stop watching Iran international Manato or all these fake posts on Instagram
4-look at the forever wars and find me one country that has flourished in the road to democracy

You can start with Yugoslavia, Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Libya, and when you’re done, if you want me to provide you some real information, I’ll be more than happy to

 

[Immortals]

Xi will stop buying oil, but send Iran critical raw materials.

Do you hear yourself? China will stop buying oil. For what purpose other than to bail to Western economies out?

China doesnt owe Iran anything. They will do what benefits china.

China randomly stopping oil imports for the first time in 10 years was actually a deliberate action to hurt Iran’s leverage. Trump visited Xi and afterwards Xi did this. xi will never raise a finger towards America, just sail his ships in circles around Taiwan over and over.

China wants to delay their inevitable conflict with the west as long as possible. Everyday they are getting stronger then the west and time is on their side..

China’s population is rapidly aging and its population growth is negative. By 2050, China will have “lost” 300M people. By 2100, Chinese population could be as low as 700M people.

Time is not on China’s side. It’s in its peak form right now. However, Xi is a pacifist and prefers to beat the West by waiting for the U.S. to implode and for Taiwan to change its stance on reunification.

Blame Irans own leadership

I have blamed Iran’s leadership plenty on here. I blame them daily basis.

But people who come on here and try to claim China is playing some 5D chess are just delusional. They haven’t fought a war since Korea. And their military has to routinely purge itself due to corruption scandals. On top of all this, you have a leader who is anti confrontational and will wait until the West is suffocating him to do anything about it. Putin acted the same way from 2000-2022 and learned the hard way. Xi will learn too.

 

[Persian Gulf]

The U.S. has fled from Al Udied air base

 

[FUB]

 

[Zartosht]

Do you hear yourself? China will stop buying oil. For what purpose other than to bail to Western economies out?


China randomly stopping oil imports for the first time in 10 years was actually a deliberate action to hurt Iran’s leverage. Trump visited Xi and afterwards Xi did this. xi will never raise a finger towards America, just sail his ships in circles around Taiwan over and over.



China’s population is rapidly aging and its population growth is negative. By 2050, China will have “lost” 300M people. By 2100, Chinese population could be as low as 700M people.

Time is not on China’s side. It’s in its peak form right now. However, Xi is a pacifist and prefers to beat the West by waiting for the U.S. to implode and for Taiwan to change its stance on reunification.



I have blamed Iran’s leadership plenty on here. I blame them daily basis.

But people who come on here and try to claim China is playing some 5D chess are just delusional. They haven’t fought a war since Korea. And their military has to routinely purge itself due to corruption scandals. On top of all this, you have a leader who is anti confrontational and will wait until the West is suffocating him to do anything about it. Putin acted the same way from 2000-2022 and learned the hard way. Xi will learn too.

I am not saying china is doing everything perfectly.
I am telling you what their calculations are. You confuse geopolitical rlationships to personal ones. Its a ery common misconception.

Whether me or you agree with it is irrelevant. Take emotions out.

China absolutely bailed the west out by not buying 5m barrels of oil. For this they almost certainly got something significant in return.

On the other hand China will provide Iran with critical raw materials, satelite info, and virtually the last customer that will buy Iranian oil in current circumstances.

This is the geopolitical situation the Iranian government has gotten us into.

Iran has taken an almost sacrificial geopolitical stance. Instead of being cunning or smart, they are playing poker with open hands.

Everyone knows where Iran stands, where its weakneses are and how to use that to their advantage.

Its not Chinas fault that they buy Iranian oil for cheap. Its the Iranian governments fault for putting the country into such a shitty geopolitcal situation that nobody treats Iran like an ally, an use her as a geopoltical tool to serve their interests.

Other countries are thinking modern geopoltics, our akhonds are thinking karbala agains the US/Israel

Not a recipe for succes

 

[Immortals]

U.S. military has pulled aircraft from Qatar and Jordan likely to safer bases like Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Iran must target U.S. bases in Saudi Arabia strongly so that U.S. moves the aircraft to Israel. This will concentrate and funnel most land based aircraft deployments to one target: Israel. Allowing Iran to focus fire power in one area instead of across 5-6 countries.

NOTE: US also launches aircraft from carrier based assets 200KM-300KM off the coast of Iran.

 

[RescueRanger]

U.S. military has pulled aircraft from Qatar and Jordan likely to safer bases like Saudi Arabia and Israel.

Iran must target U.S. bases in Saudi Arabia strongly so that U.S. moves the aircraft to Israel. This will concentrate and funnel most land based aircraft deployments to one target: Israel. Allowing Iran to focus fire power in one area instead of across 5-6 countries.

NOTE: US also launches aircraft from carrier based assets 200KM-300KM off the coast of Iran.

That is actually a troubling development. - they expect to strike bigger bolder targets and are anticipating a retaliation hence rotating aircraft to Israel and into European bases.

 

[BHAN85]

Do you hear yourself? China will stop buying oil. For what purpose other than to bail to Western economies out?


China randomly stopping oil imports for the first time in 10 years was actually a deliberate action to hurt Iran’s leverage. Trump visited Xi and afterwards Xi did this. xi will never raise a finger towards America, just sail his ships in circles around Taiwan over and over.



China’s population is rapidly aging and its population growth is negative. By 2050, China will have “lost” 300M people. By 2100, Chinese population could be as low as 700M people.

Time is not on China’s side. It’s in its peak form right now. However, Xi is a pacifist and prefers to beat the West by waiting for the U.S. to implode and for Taiwan to change its stance on reunification.



I have blamed Iran’s leadership plenty on here. I blame them daily basis.

But people who come on here and try to claim China is playing some 5D chess are just delusional. They haven’t fought a war since Korea. And their military has to routinely purge itself due to corruption scandals. On top of all this, you have a leader who is anti confrontational and will wait until the West is suffocating him to do anything about it. Putin acted the same way from 2000-2022 and learned the hard way. Xi will learn too.

China immigration rate is near zero, even if you are right and they need more young population in the future they can open borders to become a multicultural dumpster like the West is.

But industrialized countries don't need that exponential population growth, they only need energy and raw materials.

And thanks to Ukraine war, they will have all the energy and resources they could wish from Russia.

Without wars and foul play, the West will collapse before China.

Btw China is not saving oil market due to sympathy for the West, just thinking in own interests and keep business working, buying and selling to the west.

And if things become ugly, they are increasing amount of nuclear armed SSBN last years.

 

[Immortals]

On the other hand China will provide Iran with critical raw materials, satelite info, and virtually the last customer that will buy Iranian oil in current circumstances.

No evidence of this. People need to stop promoting China as some fierce rebel to Western order. It has literally been the backbone of the western economic engine for decades.

There is no proof China is sending anything to Iran much less during this blockade.

There was a laughable amount of users on here when the war broke out saying China is going to flood Iran with Shahed drones from its factories and manpads and what have you. I knew that was a delusional BS. Completely uncharacteristic of China.

Iran’s trade and relations with China is transactional. China selling raw materials or components to Iran is no different than if it were to sell those same components to Brazil or Egypt. It’s simple trade.

Iranian and Chinese military transactions are non existent. Last major deal was back in 2000s for C-801/C-802 (modern day Noor and Qader missiles). Dual use technologies and precursor fuels are again simple trade that China would do with any country willing to trade with it. There are no “special” circumstances for Iran here. Simple trade.

People overhype China’s role in Iran. It has a very small role. It’s a transactional relationship. Nothing ‘strategic’ about it. China cannot be trusted just like Putin couldn’t be trusted.

The problem for Iran is it lives in a time where the two remaining “axis” powers (Russia and China) prefer to not have strategic allies or confrontation with the West. Any “allies” they do have they will sell up the river…..for the right prices.

Compare this to last 100 years when you had: Nazi Germany, Imperial Japan, Mussolini’s Italy, USSR, Saddam’s Iraq, Syria on Assad Sr, Egypt, Ghaddafi’s Libya, Vietcong in Vietnam.

Face it the remaining two axis powers are endangered species and cornered by the West. They think their best odds are fighting this alone and hope the West collapses before they do or WW3 occurs and they can use nukes to offset the imbalance.

There was not much Iran could have done to get Putin or Xi to enter into a strategic alliance. At the end of the day the Arabs and West had more money and influence and investment opportunities then Iran. Iran even under the best scenario couldn’t hope to outmatch those opportunities.