Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[mabubakar]

 

[tsunset]

Exclusive dramatic picture of devastating US strikes on Iranian bridge resulting in collapse of traffic and cutting supplies

 

[lightning f57]

You can thank China and Xi the Western appeaser. He halted oil imports the month of June which saved the global market about 5-6MBPD of oil.

Xi has always been happy to run to the West to give them concessions just like his ally across the border Vladimir Putin.

The reason they halted was probably because they didnt want the oil price going further up. If I was China I would have done the same, why buy expensive oil over $100 a barrel when you can tap into your strategic 1.2bn reserves, this way you avoid paying a high price and you dont put pressure on the market and rise the price. Then when the price stabilises and falls you can start importing again. However China cant last more than 100 days without having to import, so this is a temporary measure.

 

[030292]

Things must be really bad if even russia is struggling to meet its domestic demand for fuel.

 

[Flotilla]

Iran is still using inventory it built from 2010-2015.

Assuming Iran had 7500 missiles (hypothetical random guess) when this conflict started, it should still have 50%+ remaining with no new production needed.

So no, there is no evidence of Chinese assistance currently for manufacturing NEW missiles. Iran is still using old inventory mixed with some newer gen missiles.

You forget Iran has been building missiles for 25 years for this very war.

It took few months to rebuild the solid fueled missile ballistic factories after 12 war. Guess who assisted Tehran to re equip the planetary mixer for solid fueled missiles. Not to mention perchrolate needed for their solid fueled missiles.
Nobody is diminishing the awesome Iranian missile program, but their ability to repair and reopen the assembling lines does not come from scratch.

 

[lightning f57]

The U.S. has fled from Al Udied air base

Im wondering what Iran means by expanding their attacks. So far it seems SA has had little to no attacks, Turkey has not been attacked at all, they have large US bases and facilities not far from Iran and Israel is not touched.

 

[030292]

The reason they halted was probably because they didnt want the oil price going further up. If I was China I would have done the same, why buy expensive oil over $100 a barrel when you can tap into your strategic 1.2bn reserves, this way you avoid paying a high price and you dont put pressure on the market and rise the price. Then when the price stabilises and falls you can start importing again. However China cant last more than 100 days without having to import, so this is a temporary measure.

If i was china i would have doubled the oil imports to inflict even more pain on western economies then simply walk in taiwan and declare it as another province of china with west already stretched too thin between ukraine and strait of hormuz

 

[Flotilla]

The reason they halted was probably because they didnt want the oil price going further up. If I was China I would have done the same, why buy expensive oil over $100 a barrel when you can tap into your strategic 1.2bn reserves, this way you avoid paying a high price and you dont put pressure on the market and rise the price. Then when the price stabilises and falls you can start importing again. However China cant last more than 100 days without having to import, so this is a temporary measure.

Even if you manage to dodge that bull once, China will ultimately have to buy oil—just like everyone else—to meet its domestic demand. That is why you only fight a bull once; by the second time, it has already figured out how to catch the matador.

 

[lightning f57]

If i was china i would have doubled the oil imports to inflict even more pain on western economies then simply walk in taiwan and declare it as another province of china with west already stretched too thin between ukraine and strait of hormuz

They have their long term plans and likely dont want to upset the apple cart unless they really have to.

 

[kobra]

Iran is still using inventory it built from 2010-2015.

Assuming Iran had 7500 missiles (hypothetical random guess) when this conflict started, it should still have 50%+ remaining with no new production needed.

So no, there is no evidence of Chinese assistance currently for manufacturing NEW missiles. Iran is still using old inventory mixed with some newer gen missiles.

You forget Iran has been building missiles for 25 years for this very war.

True number of iranian missiles is itself a big mystery.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Iran is still using inventory it built from 2010-2015.

Assuming Iran had 7500 missiles (hypothetical random guess) when this conflict started, it should still have 50%+ remaining with no new production needed.

So no, there is no evidence of Chinese assistance currently for manufacturing NEW missiles. Iran is still using old inventory mixed with some newer gen missiles.

You forget Iran has been building missiles for 25 years for this very war.

Why would Iran not be manufacturing new missiles if it could ? We have seen posts on this thread of new missiles, new designs being tested and deployed, and that implies manufacturing sites and supply line that many include external suppliers.

 

[BHAN85]

It is not a cultural that you can “immigrate” to like Japan or U.S. or Europe. It’s not simple as opening your borders and everyone comes in. If such a Policy were that easy then Europe wouldn’t have negative population growth despite allowing in millions of Arabs, Africans, and Indians.

China, like many Asian countries, has an inverted demographics pyramid. 1 child and 2 child policies of the old days have engrained into people’s mind to have low offspring. That’s not reversing. This is a global problem not just attributed to China. But the problem is exacerbated by lack of any meaningful immigration into China to offset this.



60-70% of a countries economic growth (GPD) is it citizens spending money (consumer spending). If its citizens are old and dying and not working then economic growth suffers as the labor pool gets smaller and smaller the working class doesn’t spend as much. Basic econ 101.



Putin won’t live forever you know. When he dies or retire, then what? A system built around 1 man. You don’t think the West has spies in that system to take control of Russia?.

In the 1980s Spain immigration rate was less 1%, like China today.

Today is officially 20%, unofficially even more and in labor market could be even the half in some places.

Had Spain a culture for immigration in 80s? Of course not, but it was well brain washed since them, specially starting 21st century.

Anyway, my opinion is that speech of aging people and economy collapse is just a big lie made in jew-usa.
Just think how many people is needed to manufacture the basic consumption things in a industrialized country.

Here most of labor market is in the services.

To produce food, meds and basic subsistence things is needed less 10% population.

So aging people economic collapse my ass.
Another Jewish bullshit, that minority is comfortable in multicultural countries because in nation-state they always end chased and looted, so from USA power they have filled all western public narrative of that invented need for immigration.

 

[Aziqbal]

Why would Iran not be manufacturing new missiles if it could ? We have seen posts on this thread of new missiles, new designs being tested and deployed, and that implies manufacturing sites and supply line that many include external suppliers.

certainly

and I think they are using new solid state ballistic missiles

for drones like Shaheed -136 I dont think they will be running out anytime soon

 

[Ravenman]

Im wondering what Iran means by expanding their attacks. So far it seems SA has had little to no attacks, Turkey has not been attacked at all, they have large US bases and facilities not far from Iran and Israel is not touched.

- SA
- Israel
- UAE
- Qatar
- South Cyprus (hopefully)

 

[Immortals]

Why would Iran not be manufacturing new missiles if it could ? We have seen posts on this thread of new missiles, new designs being tested and deployed, and that implies manufacturing sites and supply line that many include external suppliers.

To manufacture a solid fuel missile there are several layers of facilities you need to prepare the fuel including large mixers. It’s possible Iran has been able to somehow do this either underground or in some hidden sites that are only activated during emergencies. However the rate of production would be low naturally.

Rubio once said at the start of the war that Iran could make 100 missiles a month while they made 10 interceptors a year.

So, assuming during peace time Iran could make 100 finished missiles a month (a respectable number compared to US/Russia/Ukraine), during war time that number probably drops to 25 at best maybe 50, at worst maybe 10 missiles. Issue is Iran is firing about 5-10 missiles a day during this current round of conflict. So it’s using 150-300 missiles per month at the current run rate if this conflict continues. So Iran would need 3000 missiles to cover itself for next 12 months of low intensity warfare or as many as 10,000 missiles if it goes back to firing 30-40 missiles a day in a flare up of high tempo operations.

Now in case of liquid fuel the problem is much easier since it’s simple mixing of fuels and the real difficulty is producing engines and warhead and subsystems etc.

The million dollar question is how many of its missile production facilities survived the 12 day war and opening salvo of the current war. And how much of it is moved underground or was underground to start?