US Perspective on the Iran - Israel / US War

[RescueRanger]

1. Higher gas prices, otherwise no challenges

2. I’m frustrated with Trumps indecisiveness and obsession with deals. I’m not sure he understands he’s dealing with what is essentially Hamas at a state level. He needs to commit the necessary forces in a decisive way, and that includes ground forces. I don’t want to be back here in 10 years in this same position. Finish it now

3. Whether it’s America first or not is irrelevant to me. I’m not MAGA and have never voted for Trump

4. Military performance has been excellent overall and have achieved everything they’ve been tasked to do. Biggest issue I have is Trumps mouth and constantly undermining our position

5. If I was unaware a war was ongoing, I wouldn’t notice anything different in my life outside of higher gas prices

6. Yes, not only safer but in far better strategic position than 5 years ago. Iran and its terror proxies are the weakest they’ve ever been. Assad is gone and Syria now lead by a CIA asset. Irans nuclear industrial base is toast, the HEU buried. Their missile and drone forces heavily degraded. Inaction would have lead to a 2030 nuclear armed Iran with 10,000+ ballistic missiles shielding it.

I really appreciate your candour. Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions, I appreciate it.

 

[F-22Raptor]

U.S. Concludes 13th Night of Strikes on Iranian Military Targets

TAMPA, Fla. — U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) forces successfully completed the 13th straight night of strikes against Iran, July 23, at 9 p.m. ET.

CENTCOM targeted Iranian military command centers, drone storage facilities, communication networks, coastal surveillance sites, and maritime capabilities to further diminish the threat Iran poses to civilian mariners and commercial vessels transiting the Strait of Hormuz.

The international waterway remains open for transit despite recent attacks from Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. Commercial vessels continue to freely navigate the strait with U.S. military support.
More than 50,000 U.S. service members are currently operating across the Middle East.

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[F-22Raptor]

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Successful strikes on antiship launchers and maritime vessels

 

[The SC]

Trump: We did well in dealing with Iran and we will not allow it to possess a nuclear weapon

US President Donald Trump said that Iran "wants to do something, but it is not ready and they have 'evil intentions'."

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[EugeneP]

How is any of this in the interest of the United States?

United States is interested in getting rid of Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis etc., Of course it helps the whole world if there are no attacks on commercial shipping in international waterways.

 

[EugeneP]

It seems like US is preparing for one final push to broke Iranian resolve, there isn't much for America to lose here besides some assets and few soldiers, but if they really do unleash hell and after that seek peace then all major objectives will be pretty much accomplished, Iran has taken one hell of a beating and now their victory is just survival while Israel via America may not try to push Iranians back decades in terms of military development, there won't be another Trump for sometime so Israel can sit back and wait while Iran rebuilds and they make their next moves in US politics, Arabs as always are clueless in all of that, they are just picking up pieces. But they did show some hell of a restraint which is definitely comendable.

Israel's next elections are in Octuber, and American mid-terms in Novemeber, basically they have 3-4 months before things get bit tougher, Bibi will try to win the election and he wants a big win to take home, not to say that the next PM of Israel will be any less of a blood thirsty Genocidal lunatic but with Bibi Gone and Republicans lose mid-terms will put some pressure on these warmongers. In my opinion Iran is already set back few decades, and it will take years for them to rebuild all the damaged bases, industries while also solidifying the internal security issues. But the situation is so messy now that even if Iran offers that they are not going to build a nuclear weapon it will not stop the war, because it was never about that in the first place, Iran and its proxies are pretty weak now and Hezbullah are bracing for either another round of IDF strikes or Syrian leader is waiting to settle some scores, Houthies once the war with Iran is over will get pounded again by the Arab forces, they can't do much as Houthies have shown massive resiliant to air strikes and Arabs are terrible at fighting besides flying American made jets and dropping bombs from distance.

It feels like that world has no learned any lesson from the WW2 debacle, where few men like Hitler/Stalin can drive the world into total chaos setting back world progression by decades, today we have leaders like Trump and Bibi who are maniacs and their ego's and hunger for power have driven them mad, so much so that they have lost all sense of humanity and human suffering, Bibi who is (I'm sure) mentally ill at this point, he is driven solely by hate and some doomsday prophcies, I won't be surprised if he is dying from some terminal sickness and he decided to change the map/future of middle east and take that to his grave which in his own mind is doing service to Judaism or its alleged Messiah. For that he (bibi) will not stop at anything, specially when he is surrounded by ministers like Smotrich and Ben Gavir, who are same crazy lunatic zionists motivated by doomsday messianic prophecies.

My biggest complain is with the educated Americans and Europeans, who have studied/research and talk about human rights for all all their lives, and the journalists who listen to white house briefings and have Israeli's on their channels and just let them say their BS without cross questioning them, all we get is snile two faced scums like Piers morgan and others who pretend to be nuetral to gain views from both sides, Its beyond unbelieveable how the entire Western civilization has thrown their own moral values under the bus just so they satisfy the hunger for a illegal satellite colony's apetite for war and expansionism, we say/curse Pakistan's double standards and sell out leaders but seeing and observing the bahavior of American politicians and Europeans, I am like damnnnn they even surpass even Pakistani sellouts. At least Pakistani's leaders motivation is money and power in their own districts or cities or states, but these EU/American leaders despite living in some of the best countries, acess to best life style, all comforts of life, money/jobs still decided to be so openly hyprocitical and two faced, and carry so much hate/despise for a group of people that they are willing to wait out the death of 30-40k kids (including in Gaza/All of Palestine, Lebanon/Iran/Yemen) etc.

Don't even get me started on the Arabs, because this is not the thread for it, but all I can say what Rasool Allah used to say, Woe to Arabs... he never fear poverty for his people but what he fears and rightly so that the gates of luxuries and comfort will be open to his nation which will turn his nation into something that even he would not recognize.

May Allah's silent lathi (stick) for once become not so silent, for all those who deserve it.

While your analysis is understandable, you may like to consider that no country in the world, as far as I can tell, is particularly upset by this war (the second phase i.e.). Even the Pakistanis, who were enthusiastic in promoting cease fire during phase 1 are basically thinking let the chips fall where they may.

 

[Shags101]

1. Higher gas prices, otherwise no challenges

2. I’m frustrated with Trumps indecisiveness and obsession with deals. I’m not sure he understands he’s dealing with what is essentially Hamas at a state level. He needs to commit the necessary forces in a decisive way, and that includes ground forces. I don’t want to be back here in 10 years in this same position. Finish it now

3. Whether it’s America first or not is irrelevant to me. I’m not MAGA and have never voted for Trump

4. Military performance has been excellent overall and have achieved everything they’ve been tasked to do. Biggest issue I have is Trumps mouth and constantly undermining our position

5. If I was unaware a war was ongoing, I wouldn’t notice anything different in my life outside of higher gas prices

6. Yes, not only safer but in far better strategic position than 5 years ago. Iran and its terror proxies are the weakest they’ve ever been. Assad is gone and Syria now lead by a CIA asset. Irans nuclear industrial base is toast, the HEU buried. Their missile and drone forces heavily degraded. Inaction would have lead to a 2030 nuclear armed Iran with 10,000+ ballistic missiles shielding it.

Earlier I made a joke by the way I don’t know if you actually read it or not but it was in light jest I just wanted to assure I may not agree with you at all times….i had a joke but I stopped my but I honestly believe you represent an aspect of American society and you have your opinions and facts that you hold dear so I actually respect that night.

 

[SolarWarden]

1. Higher gas prices, otherwise no challenges

2. I’m frustrated with Trumps indecisiveness and obsession with deals. I’m not sure he understands he’s dealing with what is essentially Hamas at a state level. He needs to commit the necessary forces in a decisive way, and that includes ground forces. I don’t want to be back here in 10 years in this same position. Finish it now

3. Whether it’s America first or not is irrelevant to me. I’m not MAGA and have never voted for Trump

4. Military performance has been excellent overall and have achieved everything they’ve been tasked to do. Biggest issue I have is Trumps mouth and constantly undermining our position

5. If I was unaware a war was ongoing, I wouldn’t notice anything different in my life outside of higher gas prices

6. Yes, not only safer but in far better strategic position than 5 years ago. Iran and its terror proxies are the weakest they’ve ever been. Assad is gone and Syria now lead by a CIA asset. Irans nuclear industrial base is toast, the HEU buried. Their missile and drone forces heavily degraded. Inaction would have lead to a 2030 nuclear armed Iran with 10,000+ ballistic missiles shielding it.

He really does think he can negotiate, or that IRGC wants a negotiation to take place which sorta makes him look like an Orange fool. I didn't want this war or the strike of Iran's nukes (at least not yet) during the 12 day war with Israel but here we are his Orange a** should have never paused Epic Furry to see if IRGC wanted some agreement he should have kept the pedal to the metal as they say. Even the strikes right now on IRGC feels like they are being conducted with one hand tied instead of just going all out. Someone needs to smack that Orange fool and wake him up to either pull out or "open the gates of hell" there can't be no middle of the road on this.

 

[Avicenna]

United States is interested in getting rid of Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis etc., Of course it helps the whole world if there are no attacks on commercial shipping in international waterways.

I dunno maybe I'm not seeing something.

But how exactly does Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houthis threaten the United States of America?

Also, when exactly did the attacks on commercial shipping start?

Just out of the blue or what?

 

[MS Sandhu]

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He really does think he can negotiate, or that IRGC wants a negotiation to take place which sorta makes him look like an Orange fool. I didn't want this war or the strike of Iran's nukes (at least not yet) during the 12 day war with Israel but here we are his Orange a** should have never paused Epic Furry to see if IRGC wanted some agreement he should have kept the pedal to the metal as they say. Even the strikes right now on IRGC feels like they are being conducted with one hand tied instead of just going all out. Someone needs to smack that Orange fool and wake him up to either pull out or "open the gates of hell" there can't be no middle of the road on this.

Instead of lurking around iranian legs, Trumpo should go straight for head.
Due to his indecisiveness, everyone around the world is suffering financially.
Just get the job done or go home.

 

[F-22Raptor]

He really does think he can negotiate, or that IRGC wants a negotiation to take place which sorta makes him look like an Orange fool. I didn't want this war or the strike of Iran's nukes (at least not yet) during the 12 day war with Israel but here we are his Orange a** should have never paused Epic Furry to see if IRGC wanted some agreement he should have kept the pedal to the metal as they say. Even the strikes right now on IRGC feels like they are being conducted with one hand tied instead of just going all out. Someone needs to smack that Orange fool and wake him up to either pull out or "open the gates of hell" there can't be no middle of the road on this.

Trump stating everyday Iran wants a deal drives me up a wall. Bro, just shut up already and finish the job. This half measures approach is for the birds. Trump is playing for a deal, when he should be committing overwhelming force to win decisively. He has the opportunity to end this evil regime, but doesn’t want to take it because he wants a stupid deal. So now we’re kicking the can down the road to a future president.

 

[Davey Crockett]

 

[Watandar]

United States is interested in getting rid of Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis etc., Of course it helps the whole world if there are no attacks on commercial shipping in international waterways.

That is actually Israeli interest, not US interest. But since the AIPAC policy controls US policy in the mideast, Americans are stuck fighting one war for Israel after another.

 

[Watandar]

He really does think he can negotiate, or that IRGC wants a negotiation to take place which sorta makes him look like an Orange fool. I didn't want this war or the strike of Iran's nukes (at least not yet) during the 12 day war with Israel but here we are his Orange a** should have never paused Epic Furry to see if IRGC wanted some agreement he should have kept the pedal to the metal as they say. Even the strikes right now on IRGC feels like they are being conducted with one hand tied instead of just going all out. Someone needs to smack that Orange fool and wake him up to either pull out or "open the gates of hell" there can't be no middle of the road on this.

Only two things holding him back are :

1. Forecasts about Iran have proven incorrect repeatedly and this latest demand to go all out and finish them off may suffer the same fate.
2. The US has proven unable to protect Gulf oil infrastructure, the destruction of which will have severe negative effects on the US economy.
   

 

[EugeneP]

Americans are stuck fighting one war for Israel after another.

In a way, that is a mirror reflection of Iranian policy - Iran has to keep on sacrificing itself to fight against Israel. The difference being there are many Americans who are sick and tired of all these foreign interventions, especially on the Democrat side. I think most of Iranians would love nothing more than martyrdom in a fight against Israel. This is a story of two snakes eating each other.