Saudis must recognise Israel for nuclear deal, says Trump

Let us make this relatively short and simple for everyone:

KSA has 5-10% of the world's uranium reserves. During the past 10 + years (form what we know about - could have occurred much earlier) KSA has been extracting uranium jointly with China within KSA.




Saudi Arabia’s Nuclear Program and China​

August 19, 2020

mei.edu

Saudi Arabia’s Nuclear Program and China - Middle East Institute

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KSA has an extensive missile program and missile force that has been present since the 1980's.

en.wikipedia.org

Royal Saudi Strategic Missile Force - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

CNN December 2021:

CNN Exclusive: US intel and satellite images show Saudi Arabia is now building its own ballistic missiles with help of China​



CNN June 2019:

Exclusive: US intel shows Saudi Arabia escalated its missile program with help from China​



Lately several dozens of underground ballistic missile bases have been constructed across KSA in the mountains, deserts, steppes etc. of KSA.d

We are talking about at least 50 + known such bases that have been expanding continuously. In particular in the past 12 months.

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Already in the 1980's KSA bought missiles that are mostly intended to carry nuclear warheads. Completely undetected by CIA, Mossad, MI6 etc.

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KSA was the main economic and political sponsor of the Pakistani nuclear program.

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The final dot is this deal with the US that will allow uranium enrichment within KSA.

Unlike the deals that the US has signed with others (google 123 and nuclear deals). For instance the UAE.

Add the geopolitical realities in our region, our wealth and public statements (to Western media no less) from leadership (MBS) and most people should be able to connect the dots here.

Lastly nukes is ancient technology. Numerous countries could develop them relatively quickly. It is the political consequences that are the main obstacle. KSA is no different here - more so given the region that we are located in.
 
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_Arabia_ said:
No, the exact opposite.

7 hour old article from The Guardian (UK newspaper and hardly pro-KSA or pro-Muslim or pro non-Western world for that matter altogether)

www.theguardian.com

What is the US-Saudi Arabia nuclear deal and why is it causing concern?

The US will help Saudi Arabia establish a civilian nuclear program, but critics have said it could lead to domestic enrichment and set off a regional arms race
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Hence all the complaints from Western media and American politicians across the board.

But it is either that or KSA will pick China or Russia which the Americans fear so they had to bend to KSA demands.

All else is noise from the usual obsessed suspects.
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I think KSA should choose China.

They are more reliable than USA or Russia.

Russia is no better than USA, bombing the hell out of Syria.
 
Pakistani Dragon said:
Your posts are getting longer and longer—they're starting to read like lectures. I can't be bothered to read them, sorry.
You don't seem to realise this is a forum, not a classroom.
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He is the Jhungary of West Asia! LOL! But seriously both make some good posts--albeit too long!
As for this thread: I don't see Saudi Arabia signing onto the Abrahamic Accord to get the nuclear deal from Trump. Saudi Arabia is not going to recognize Israel until some acceptable solution to the Palestinian issue is found.
 
Feroze said:
I think KSA should choose China.

They are more reliable than USA or Russia.

Russia is no better than USA, bombing the hell out of Syria.
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Why the obsession about choosing x or y? China is the main trade partner of KSA and a trusted partner on numerous key military areas such as our missile program, drones, laser weapons, mineral cooperation and 10's of other areas.

US Is a trusted (for KSA), mostly, partner and ally since WW2. We have the closest military relationship with them (overall) which has given us access to state of the art US weapons (THAAD, Patriots - which have been proving their worth for 10 + years in a excellent manner - also due to the brilliance and track record of this branch of our army:

en.wikipedia.org

Royal Saudi Air Defense Forces - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

F-15SA (most advanced F-15 in the world - more advanced than the US version - go look it up), F-35, Abrams, new advanced US drone deals etc.

KSA is not a NATO member nor aligned (officially) with any global power. We are and should continue to take advantage of this and the fact that we have very cordial ties with the US and China (few countries can claim that), despite differences here and there (like any relationship) and do what serves KSA's interest best.

Also the results of long-term planning is often seen much later. KSA's relationship with USA is completely different than in 1991 for instance. KSA is acting from a much stronger position and now the relationship spans every field from education, AI, renewables, science (supercomputers etc.), military, economy etc.

Meengla said:
He is the Jhungary of West Asia! LOL! But seriously both make some good posts--albeit too long!
As for this thread: I don't see Saudi Arabia signing onto the Abrahamic Accord to get the nuclear deal from Trump. Saudi Arabia is not going to recognize Israel until some acceptable solution to the Palestinian issue is found.
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No such thing to make it brief:

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(1.2 million views).

Trump claimed 100's of times in public that KSA would never get the F-35. 8 months ago that changed with the deals signed and KSA became the first Arab and Muslim nation to get the F-35. As well as other highly advanced US military tech. As well as access to very advanced chips, semiconductors etc.

mei.edu

US Authorizes Chips for the UAE, Saudi Arabia - Middle East Institute

mei.edu mei.edu

Simply put, KSA is too important and crucial for the US so they will go a long way to prevent KSA from pivoting completely towards China.
 
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_Arabia_ said:
The only supremacy is the Arabian supremacy over what is modern-day Israel ( that we ruled for millennia and influenced each centimer of its soil in every way).
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You let jews from poland commit a literal a genocide on your own kith and kin streamed on 4k in gaza without doing shit, so dont give me this crap you zionist slave.
 
030292 said:
You let jews from poland commit a literal a genocide on your own kith and kin streamed on 4k in gaza without doing shit, so dont give me this crap you zionist slave.
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Is Gaza located in KSA, genius? And what did nuclear-armed 250 million big Pakistan do or the 2 billion + Muslims worldwide or 50 + majority Muslims nations let alone the entire world? Or your beloved Iran for that matter?

Or is KSA supposed to solve every war, conflict etc. across the entire Muslim world in your "genius" mind?

20-25% of Israel's population are Arabs and 2/3 of all Israeli Jews are Arab Jews. Israel is ethnically an Arab country.

Imagine being Arabized on almost every front and having such an obsession against the people and land where your most holy sites are located, 99,99% of all the most important Muslim personalities, the land you pray towards, your Prophet (saws), the land and the people to where the Qur'an was revealed to and in, his family, homeland of numerous Prophets spanning from Ibrahim (AS) and many others, the Sahaba, the origin of your alphabet of your language (s), the origin of your own name (s) (95% likelihood of that), a government who has been the biggest ally of Pakistan ever since it appeared on a map in 1947, the country that hosts the largest Pakistani diaspora etc.

Even the sect that you likely belong to (hence the indoctrination and obsession about the Saudi Arabian/Arabian/Arab origin (self-proclaimed) Iranian Mullah leadership (black turbans etc.) originated in modern-day KSA and almost all of its most important scholars, figures etc. as well.

Talk about being schizophrenic.

Or maybe we are talking about some Hindu Indian false-flagger, in such a case I would understand the obsession given how Islam and Arabs changed the history of South Asia forever in every sphere.
 
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hydrabadi_arab said:
Not sure what you are smoking but it must be the good stuff just don't overdose.
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I suggest reading post 33. Or google what enrichment within KSA by Saudi Arabian hands entails when you add everything together (existing missile force, uranium within KSA, 100's upon 100's of local Saudi Arabian nuclear scientists, existing research nuclear reactors within KSA - already decades old, political will, financial power, nukes being ancient tech etc.)

KSA already has access to nuclear weapons as well. Next step is to master the entire nuclear cycle which will occur ultimately no matter this deal or other deals.

Rest is noise and irrelevant.
 
_Arabia_ said:
Why the obsession about choosing x or y? China is the main trade partner of KSA and a trusted partner on numerous key military areas such as our missile program, drones, laser weapons, mineral cooperation and 10's of other areas.

US Is a trusted (for KSA), mostly, partner and ally since WW2. We have the closest military relationship with them (overall) which has given us access to state of the art US weapons (THAAD, Patriots - which have been proving their worth for 10 + years in a excellent manner - also due to the brilliance and track record of this branch of our army:

en.wikipedia.org

Royal Saudi Air Defense Forces - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

F-15SA (most advanced F-15 in the world - more advanced than the US version - go look it up), F-35, Abrams, new advanced US drone deals etc.

KSA is not a NATO member nor aligned (officially) with any global power. We are and should continue to take advantage of this and the fact that we have very cordial ties with the US and China (few countries can claim that), despite differences here and there (like any relationship) and do what serves KSA's interest best.

Also the results of long-term planning is often seen much later. KSA's relationship with USA is completely different than in 1991 for instance. KSA is acting from a much stronger position and now the relationship spans every field from education, AI, renewables, science (supercomputers etc.), military, economy etc.


No such thing to make it brief:

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(1.2 million views).

Trump claimed 100's of times in public that KSA would never get the F-35. 8 months ago that changed with the deals signed and KSA became the first Arab and Muslim nation to get the F-35. As well as other highly advanced US military tech. As well as access to very advanced chips, semiconductors etc.

mei.edu

US Authorizes Chips for the UAE, Saudi Arabia - Middle East Institute

mei.edu mei.edu

Simply put, KSA is too important and crucial for the US so they will go a long way to prevent KSA from pivoting completely towards China.
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I would choose China, because USA and Russia cannot be trusted.

But as a Saudi I guess you know better what is in Saudi Arabia's interests.
 
Feroze said:
I would choose China, because USA and Russia cannot be trusted.

But as a Saudi I guess you know better what is in Saudi Arabia's interests.
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Not sure what you are referring to here in terms of choosing? Did Chinese offer a similar deal for instance?

As I wrote, KSA is one of the few countries in the world that has such close ties (on every field) with both USA and China. I would prefer that to continue rather than limit myself to one of them.

I am not talking about solely economic interests but strategic interests across the board - many of which I have already covered in this thread and which span an area of interest from missile tech to AI.

China has closer ties with KSA and vice versa than the vast majority of the world's countries already and that is unlikely to change for the worse.

In any case my main preoccupation is what benefits KSA the most. Whether China, USA, Russia or Zimbabwe is irrelevant for me.

@030292 here is your Arabized and highly incompetent Iranian regime officials (IRGC):

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Maybe that is why they have not dared to touch KSA much despite KSA actively being the main staging ground for US attacks on Iran.

What are you doing to do about it other than cry online?
 
_Arabia_ said:
Let us make this relatively short and simple for everyone:

KSA has 5-10% of the world's uranium reserves. During the past 10 + years (form what we know about - could have occurred much earlier) KSA has been extracting uranium jointly with China within KSA.




Saudi Arabia’s Nuclear Program and China​

August 19, 2020

mei.edu

Saudi Arabia’s Nuclear Program and China - Middle East Institute

mei.edu mei.edu

KSA has an extensive missile program and missile force that has been present since the 1980's.

en.wikipedia.org

Royal Saudi Strategic Missile Force - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

CNN December 2021:

CNN Exclusive: US intel and satellite images show Saudi Arabia is now building its own ballistic missiles with help of China​



CNN June 2019:

Exclusive: US intel shows Saudi Arabia escalated its missile program with help from China​



Lately several dozens of underground ballistic missile bases have been constructed across KSA in the mountains, deserts, steppes etc. of KSA.d

We are talking about at least 50 + known such bases that have been expanding continuously. In particular in the past 12 months.

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Already in the 1980's KSA bought missiles that are mostly intended to carry nuclear warheads. Completely undetected by CIA, Mossad, MI6 etc.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Riedel

KSA was the main economic and political sponsor of the Pakistani nuclear program.

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The final dot is this deal with the US that will allow uranium enrichment within KSA.

Unlike the deals that the US has signed with others (google 123 and nuclear deals). For instance the UAE.

Add the geopolitical realities in our region, our wealth and public statements (to Western media no less) from leadership (MBS) and most people should be able to connect the dots here.

Lastly nukes is ancient technology. Numerous countries could develop them relatively quickly. It is the political consequences that are the main obstacle. KSA is no different here - more so given the region that we are located in.
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I would like to know, what is the difference in SA getting Nuclear technology from the US and China from your perspective. For me getting from China is a no-brainer, why go through the head ache with the US and its unreliable government.
 
lightning f57 said:
I would like to know, what is the difference in SA getting Nuclear technology from the US and China from your perspective. For me getting from China is a no-brainer, why go through the head ache with the US and its unreliable government.
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KSA is riding on both horses. The Chinese cooperation is "unofficial" (for the broader public) while the US one (with no limitations like given to others - google 123 and nuclear deal). Same story with THAAD, Patriots etc. vs Saudi Arabian missile program since the 1980's until today. Both work in parallel.

Most importantly Saudi Arabian universities (highest ranked in the Muslim world - KSA has one of the most educated populations nowadays and the government has one of the highest educational spending on earth - as well as one of the youngest populations - KSA students are now excelling at science olympiads and tournaments globally - women included) and KSA itself are building the future cadre of Saudi Arabian nuclear scientists. As I wrote KSA has 5-10% of the world's uranium. So that is not a problem either. The missiles are already there (KSA currently - from what is known, have missiles capable of targeting most of Africa, Europe and much of Asia), the political will (no need to mention MBS's open statements about acquiring nuclear weapons).

But the entire world - intelligence services included, already know that KSA has access to nuclear weapons due to the Pakistani angle and cooperation. KSA did not fund the Pakistani nuclear weapons program without getting anything in return.

FFS, Iraq, Syria, Libya were close to acquiring nuclear weapons many decades ago (actively tried at least), KSA funding and being involved in the Iraqi attempts. Nukes are ancient tech as I wrote. Numerous countries could go nuclear just within Europe (small ones too) relatively quickly. It is not an overly complicated feat. The political/economic repercussions are the most "dangerous" part here. So it is a risk assessment but if you connect all the dots (start with my post 33) it is not difficult to reach a conclusion.
 
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Musings said:
@Khorasan Black Flags
Stop the reporting of posts that simply
Dont agree with your philosophy.
Debate respectfully against the posts rather than reporting as we wont take action if no rules are broken and someone is voicing their opinion.
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He is spamming every single Arab-related thread with Twitter feeds constantly. He adds nothing to any discussion. Let alone writing any posts of his own.

The troll (who is deeply obsessed about me) was also giving negative smileys to my posts in the Arab Coffee Shop, Yemen, Syria, Palestine etc. thread constantly regardless of what I posted. Very childish and obsessive behavior.

Can now see that he has been at it again in this thread.:ROFLMAO:

We are talking about an adult at least in his 30's (if not much older). Frightening.

But it does not bother me unless he is directly trolling/spamming KSA related development threads (as he did earlier today) which was probably the first and only time where I have ever reported his posts.

Anyway I don't know this anonymous guy or have anything against him (since I do not know that individual - he might be a good guy in real life - I am sure that we could get along - I am quite lenient in the real world) but I can not do anything about his obsession.
 
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