Pakistan-Saudi Arabia mutual defense pact: News & Discussion

[_Arabia_]

Brother for sure, if US bombs Iran to stone age and uses lots of JDAMs we will have people on here declaring Iranian "victory" as they managed to make US use a lot of it's stock of weapons....

Imagine losing at least 300 billion (likely damage is much greater by now) in damages, 10.000's of people, most of your leadership annihilated, most of your Air Force and Navy going extinct and destroyed, countless of your missile bases damaged/destroyed, much of your industry targeted and damaged heavily, worthless currency, economy in a bigger downfall than already the case (small 10 million UAE has twice the economy as 90 million, oil and gas rich, Iran has), zero state allies, main allies are backward terrorist proxies (who are getting pounded as well while we speak) and claiming to "win".

In worst case scenario (only reason why GCC have not gone all out as we have much more to lose given that we are 10 times more wealth with 10 times the economic size - GCC sovereign wealth funds alone are worth 6 trillion USD), our oil and gas infrastructure will be temporarily damaged but in return Iran's oil and gas infrastructure will be damaged as well. Who will quicker rebuild and get back on foot? A sanctioned, impoverished entity like Iran or the GCC which is one of the world's richest areas on the planet and has the allies, capital and means to rebuilt quickly?

Take a look at Kuwait in 1991. Saddam destroyed Kuwaiti oil wells to a degree that Iran can only dream about and Kuwait bounced back relatively quickly.

The Iranian regime are retarded, they have demonstrated this time and time again since 1979, but it would be wise for them to reform or have sane Iranians take power before they further destroy Iran (completely this time) and take a good junk of the region with them.

 

[Prophecy]

Bulk of US forces are/were operating off of GCC, just look at this map.

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How is Iran supposed to survive if they don't hit back at the places from they are being attacked?
Are you suggesting Iran to allow US forces operating from 10s of bases on arab land?
Arabs gave their land and airspace to US/Israel to attack Iran, whos at fault here?

Just imagine, if Afghanistan gives India access to all of its bases, and India starts attacking Pakistan from those bases, would Pakistan silently eatup those strikes coming from Afghanistan side just because muslim ummah chummah bullshit?

What you say is common sense, everyone can understand bar some who got the new instructions memo.

 

[Yasser76]

Bulk of US forces are/were operating off of GCC, just look at this map.

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How is Iran supposed to survive if they don't hit back at the places from they are being attacked?
Are you suggesting Iran to allow US forces operating from 10s of bases on arab land?
Arabs gave their land and airspace to US/Israel to attack Iran, whos at fault here?

Just imagine, if Afghanistan gives India access to all of its bases, and India starts attacking Pakistan from those bases, would Pakistan silently eatup those strikes coming from Afghanistan side just because muslim ummah chummah bullshit?

Try and post accurate maps first before debating

 

[Yasser76]

Why you cannot trust Iranians

 

[_Arabia_]

Anyway KSA is not going to invade North Yemen (heavily mountainous and with a high population density - just like next door South KSA) and risk losing 100's (worst case scenario 1000's) of Saudi Arabian soldiers in order to remove the small part of Yemen that the Houthis control.

Just for the mess that is political Yemen, more warring parties starting another civil war (in a long list) and making more coups.

I wish nothing but the best for the innocent Yemeni people and Yemen is a historic brotherly, sisterly and neighborly country of KSA that we share much in common with throughout history on most fronts. Very beautiful country and an ancient one too. In other words a great part of Arabia.

However the Yemenis themselves have to (and they eventually will - we already see large scale tribe and clan mobilizations against the Houthi terrorist cult) move their country forward and combat backwardness and develop as a country and nation. KSA cannot do it for them but we will not allow a hostile actor there to act against KSA in harmful ways - even though the current thing is more a disruption than anything after 5-6 years of calm.

Houthis were smart/wise enough not to sacrifice themselves for the Iranian regime.

At the end of the day KSA and Yemen are permanent neighbors (until a merger one day at least as many times before in history) and Yemen cannot develop without a strong and stable KSA.

To starters Yemen's economy would collapse completely if not for KSA help and KSA hosting the largest Yemeni diaspora in the world.

Most sane Yemenis already know that the Houthis are using the Iranian regime as a piggy bank in order to strengthen their control of North Yemen and loot the country and people. Iran gains very little from them.

 

[_Arabia_]

Why you cannot trust Iranians


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KSA should shot down any unauthorized Iranian plane that enters Yemeni airspace (which KSA and the Yemeni government controls fully 24/7) the next time (doubtful that there will be a next time anytime soon).

We also know their involvement on the ground because KSA/Yemeni government has killed Hezbollah and IRGC operatives in Yemen before.

And KSA is well aware of this - that is why their most recent weapons shipment was tracked and later destroyed yesterday when RSAF targeted Hudaydah.

KSA tracks Yemeni airspace 24/7, including via satellites:

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""Confirmed information about the cargo transported by the Iranian plane to Hodeidah Airport was tracked after it was moved from the airport to a warehouse belonging to the telecommunications company, located east of the port gate. The warehouse was successfully and precisely targeted, with the entire stock destroyed. As a result, the Houthis went berserk today because they are shocked at how the information leaked and reached the coalition with such unexpected and unprecedented precision."

The Iranian regime cannot do much on the ground in Yemen anyway other than some latent support, weapons smuggling etc.

On the other hand KSA has an almost 2000 km border with Yemen and will always be around.

 

[hasn2009]

Try and post accurate maps first before debating

That is your response? Logically speaking, does it matter if US is operating from one GCC base vs 5 bases or 10 bases? Each case deserves a response and slap in the face.

 

[Pak Defender]

Renewed Airstrikes in Yemen.

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[Yasser76]

That is your response? Logically speaking, does it matter if US is operating from one GCC base vs 5 bases or 10 bases? Each case deserves a response and slap in the face.

Some of those countries do not have single US base in them, so hard for you to talk about logic. Try slapping Pakistan in the face and remember what happened last time?

 

[hasn2009]

Some of those countries do not have single US base in them, so hard for you to talk about logic. Try slapping Pakistan in the face and remember what happened last time?

What? Now you are damaging my neurons.
You keep dodging the main argument. As I said before, any country allowing its land or airspace to be used against Iran deserves a beating.

Also don't bring Pakistan in this conflict vs Iran, Pakistan-Iran are good friends, overwhelming majority of Pakistani's side with Iran, just a few rare breed dont.

 

[Pak Defender]

Saudi Arabian fighter jets have launched attacks against Houthi positions in the Marib and Al-Jawf provinces of Yemen.

Renewed Airstrikes in Yemen.

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[_Arabia_]

Another thing, given that Houthis/Yemen is an important topic in the KSA-Pakistan alliance (even though Pakistan always mostly stayed out ever since March 2015).

It is worth noticing that the Iranian regime did not create Houthis at all. It was only around 20 years ago that they tried (opportunistically as usual) to create some kind of cooperation.

In reality Yemen is using the Iranian regime as a piggy bank and Iran has had close to zero gains from this relationship.

Most importantly Houthis are quite independent compared to other Iranian proxies in the region which is why Houthis mostly stayed quite while Iran was getting carpet bombed.

Most of Houthis missiles are also from the Yemeni army originally - the ones that defected to them and who left their equipment. Mostly Russian/Soviet in nature. Yemen had a well developed missile program before the civil war (latest) in 2014.

Other than some missile and drone support there is not much to show for.

They did more against Israel (something that I support in this exact example) by launching missiles and drones at Eilat and South Israel - albeit mostly unsuccessfully.

So this is what the Iranian regime does. They see some internal Arab conflict (in this case in Yemen) and they pick a side.

There is no historical, cultural, ethnic, linguistic, sectarian (in the case of the Houthis) relationship with Iran for this relationship to be anything other than transactional and convenient.

The likes of Houthis, Hezbollah, Iraqi Shia terrorist groups, know that they will have zero external backers once the Iranian regime collapses. So they are trying to take advantage of that by using the Iranian regime as a piggy bank and by receiving billions of dollars in aid from Iran.

Not sure what the Iranian regime gains are. Supposedly they were supposed to act like shields in case of an attack on Iran but we have all seen the reality of this "plan" in the past 13 months. It failed utterly. Houthis did mostly not lift a finger, the Iraqi terrorist militias were very weak (hardly did anything of note) and Hezbollah were preoccupied with Israeli onslaught. None really came to the aid of the Iranian regime but they will happily take Iranian money and weapons as well as have numerous Iranian IRGC advisors and others killed from Lebanon, Iraq to Yemen.

Same occurred with the Al-Assad regime that used the Iranian regime as a piggy bank and toilet paper (relying more on the Russians - the same ones he escaped to) while badmouthing them in private and ridiculing them.

The Shia Arab will always see himself as superior to the Ajami. They try to hide it but anti-iranian sentiments in places like South Iraq are rampant contrary to popular belief. All it takes is a visit or visiting Arabic X (Iraqi users based in Iraq).

Now the current Iraqi prime minister (himself an Shia Arab) is continuing to build very close ties with KSA and other Arab states while actively combating pro-iranian aligned militias in Iraq. We can all see where this is going long-term. By each day the Iraqi military is getting stronger and the militias weaker. Politically as well.

 

[Yasser76]

What? Now you are damaging my neurons.
You keep dodging the main argument. As I said before, any country allowing its land or airspace to be used against Iran deserves a beating.

Also don't bring Pakistan in this conflict vs Iran, Pakistan-Iran are good friends, overwhelming majority of Pakistani's side with Iran, just a few rare breed dont.

You posted a "Map" showing US bases were there are none, just have the humility to say you got it wrong

Nope, Iran dies not even make top 10 of countries Pakistani people have affection for in every survey

 

[Pak Defender]

The RSAF carried out airstrikes targeting Houthi positions in Jabal al Jurrah in Maarib Province and the Shahla Strip in Al Jawf Province.

As of now, no strikes have been reported in Sana'a or Hodeidah.

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[Yasser76]

The RSAF carried out airstrikes targeting Houthi positions in Jabal al Jurrah in Maarib Province and the Shahla Strip in Al Jawf Province.

As of now, no strikes have been reported in Sana'a or Hodeidah.

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Watch now Houthis running to media and crying....