mythbuster
Trusted Member
These mucho macho armchair warriors , rooting for Iran day and night , are scared shit by the Israeli.... taking Israel and Turkey name in the same breath is blasphemy.
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GoatsMilk
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Isrealis don't seem to understand, its their own expansionism that is forcing Turkiye further and further into Syria.
Since the inception of the Turkish state, nearly every geopolitical move outside the nation like in cyprus was all conducted to counter imperialism expansionist aims against Turkiye.
Just like i say Turks should be wise as to the true threat facing them, the isrealis shoudnt ever make the mistake in thinking the Turks are just another typical middle eastern state.
Turkiye expands as a reaction to threats facing her. No threats, no expansionism.
hyperman
INT'L MOD
Nukes are not needed in the immediete sense.
Whats needed is full spectrum dominance over Air and Sea against Israel, particularly Air Dominance.
We are not there yet, but this can be evaluated 10 years from now. The key element is that Turkey produces its own munitions because it has the manpower and industry needed for the supply chains.
So in terms of structural dominance, its there and something Israel cannot compete with long terms. The economy to support is also there, unlike Israel.
Once Turkey can produce its own Turbofans in numbers, the dynamics change fundamentally. Israel cannot produce engines, and thats a significant barrier for them, b/c the ability to build your own engines is going to play a role in building your own turbojets for missiles, scramjets for missiles, building and maintaining your own aircraft completely inhouse. The Metallurgy unlocked after building your own fighter jet engines pays so much dividend elsewhere, whether marine propulsion, missiles or whatever.
hyperman
INT'L MOD
What 5% are they talking about?
Turkey has 0%, everything was handed to the govt in Damascus, outside of a few bases, there is no presence, and the bases is with the permission of the govt, and soverignty and access is retained by them.
Lulldapull
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Gents.......new scenario by Turkish Admiral.
Looks like he knows more than most of us on what is being planned next:
Looks like he knows more than most of us on what is being planned next:
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It's claimed by Satanyahoo. He spits out lies as usual. I bet it has the opposite effect on Trump, though. He probably just cements his opinion of Erdoğan being a tough guy.
hyperman
INT'L MOD
I bet it has the opposite effect on Trump, though. He probably just cements his opinion of Erdoğan being a tough guy.
Undoubtedly. lol
Did you see him all giddy when talking about Syria Turkey Pseudohistory. lol
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Undoubtedly. lol
Did you see him all giddy when talking about Syria Turkey Pseudohistory. lol
He seems very interested in strong men.
hyperman
INT'L MOD
Thats because he doesn't really have morality or any ideology for that matter. He has a very darwinian outlook on life, and of might makes right, thats why he is enchanted by "strong men" and "aura". This can be both good or bad when intercating with him, as when he sees someone with strength even in enemies, he respects them and he respects them more than people he sees as weak, that might be an ally on paper. He respects Kim Jong Un more than he respects Macron for example. lol
So when dealing with him, he must be dealt with from a position of stature and strength, rather than on matters of allyship in terms of statecraft. He doesn't see state to state relationships, he sees people to people relationships. And he sees himself as an all encompassing power over the state he runs, and looks at his interlocutors similarly.
PaklovesTurkiye
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Israelis believe in speed, lethality and in preemptive strike...You do need nukes asap.
Turks have a full case study of Iran here.
If Turks also sleep on nukes - a huge humiliation awaits them.
Israelis draw thier power/resources from US MIC. Turks will strugle here.
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Nukes give you sense of power that no conventional strength can match.
There is a reason Israelis didn't allow Iranians to have nukes - from killing their scientists to all the way down to attacking whole country/nuclear sites
hyperman
INT'L MOD
there is no point in trying to build nuclear weapons without having the capacity to ward off an attack via conventional means. Israel did not use its nuclear weapons to attack Iran. And any state in the region did that has tried to build weapons has been attacked. So without conventional dominance, there is no point in trying to build out a weapons program from scratch, b/c you will be attacked for trying to do it if you don't have the conventional means to deter it. No if there is an immediate need for nuclear weapons it will come via agreement for weapons sharing or under a nuclear umbrella from another state, not by trying to rush to nuclear weapons when you don't even have conventional dominance to prevent an attack if you do try to build weapons from scratch.
The path is conventional regional dominance first, then expanding into a nuclear capacity. But obviously its not either or, Turkey is pursuing the South Korean option, which is full spectrum nuclear development and then developing enrichment capacity, and it will need to build enrichment eventually if it ever wants Nuclear Submarines. But we will cross that road when we get there.
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