Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

Watandar said:
US military is not some god-like omnipotent force. It can deploy its capabilities but there is a huge cost to it. Trump has proven another dumb American President who drank too much of the "American world superpower hyperpower new Rome" kool aid.

'Exasperated' Trump 'yelling expletives' at officials as leakers reveal turmoil in West Wing​


President Donald Trump is “exasperated” by the ongoing war in Iran — and taking it out on his staff, according to an ally of the president who spoke with NBC News,

“I don’t think he believed it was going to be this difficult to get the Iranians to agree to a deal,” the ally told NBC News. “There was not a real strategy for how long or what they should do to get to the endpoint.”

“He did not intend this to be a long, drawn-out war,” the person said.

Trump, according to NBC, is “angry about his military options and frustrated that he can’t close a deal with Iran." The president's flailing foreign strategy is especially evident as the war, which he originally described as a “short-term excursion” drags “into its sixth month." Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth estimates the war has so far cost $37.5 billion. A Telegraph analysis puts the "true bill" at $151.3 billion.

“Trump erupted during a meeting last week with some of his top national security officials, yelling expletives, according to the U.S. official and another person familiar with the discussion,” NBC News reports.

“After all this time, there is no unity,” one U.S. official familiar with the discussions told NBC.

Another U.S. official, described as having “knowledge of the discussions around the war,” told reporters the military lacks “clear guidance” from the president — even as the military prepares to resume major combat operations in Iran.

“We have had a series of tactical victories, but are facing a strategic defeat without clear policy guidance or a decision about where this is going,” the official told NBC News.

According to the report, Trump “is expected to be presented this week with expanded military options that include targeting Iranian-backed proxies in the region, according to the U.S. official. There’s also a Cabinet meeting set for Camp David on Friday.”

White House press secretary Karoline Leavit called reports of the president’s outburst at national security officials “false.”

“The president has a great team whom he trusts, and everyone on the team knows he’s the final decision-maker,” she told NBC News.
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The cost isn't the issue the corrupt top 1% will burn on it and make it part of national debt they don't care. The scale and design of operations they're doing at the current phase are pretty pathetic and not changing anything at tactical nor strategic level.

This is why some believe it's by design to hurt EU, Asian nations, China and others. It could also be Trump administration are cowards and don't know what to do if situation actually spirals out of control which it hasn't yet. His administration don't have experienced people the military does but the secretary of war is a Fox News Journalist clown that has no place in government. His entire administration besides Rubio are amatuer clowns.

On other hand could be deliberate to make Arab states lose patience and take initiative of some sort by themselves. And Arabs and Iran both suspect this scenario. The question is why would they want that. It could be punishment for not normalizing and also reducing GCC/Iran economic growth and development, and a potential big move against Palestinians where financial safety net (Saudi + GCC) is gone and Egypt is isolated to take on alone whatever big steps Israel could take.

We know Israeli administration are crazy and fanatical terrorists but we don't know for sure if US government is playing along with messenaic terrorist fanatical agenda
 
Iran is fighting against nearly the entirety of the earth, Europe, US, Japan, South America, everyone besides some countries that can be counted with fingers of one hand
 
Falcon29 said:
The cost isn't the issue the corrupt top 1% will burn on it and make it part of national debt they don't care. The scale and design of operations they're doing at the current phase are pretty pathetic and not changing anything at tactical nor strategic level.

This is why some believe it's by design to hurt EU, Asian nations, China and others. It could also be Trump administration are cowards and don't know what to do if situation actually spirals out of control which it hasn't yet. His administration don't have experienced people the military does but the secretary of war is a Fox News Journalist clown that has no place in government. His entire administration besides Rubio are amatuer clowns.

On other hand could be deliberate to make Arab states lose patience and take initiative of some sort by themselves. And Arabs and Iran both suspect this scenario. The question is why would they want that. It could be punishment for not normalizing and also reducing GCC/Iran economic growth and development, and a potential big move against Palestinians where financial safety net (Saudi + GCC) is gone and Egypt is isolated to take on alone whatever big steps Israel could take.

We know Israeli administration are crazy and fanatical terrorists but we don't know for sure if US government is playing along with messenaic terrorist fanatical agenda
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I admire Iran's patience to not play along with US / Israeli plot to make this regional Arab on Iranian war. Also Qatar and Oman.

If they can continue being patient until mid terms it's possible US and Israel will finally have to back down and make a deal. We should see early polling results soon for some states. Early voting has begun.
 
Falcon29 said:
I admire Iran's patience to not play along with US / Israeli plot to make this regional Arab on Iranian war. Also Qatar and Oman.

If they can continue being patient until mid terms it's possible US and Israel will finally have to back down and make a deal. We should see early polling results soon for some states. Early voting has begun.
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The recent lashing out of saudis against qatar and yemen is not a good sign to be honest, at times it feels like sauds are acting as puppets of israel.
 
Sam6536 said:
If there is one thing that America is good at it is feeding it's war machine. America's Arms industry is a major part of their economy, if you're betting on their demand overcoming the supply i'd say you're guessing wrong. Similar news floats around every couple of months or so, it's a part of their whole schtick.

Neocapitalists love nothing more than another war where more weapons can be sold.
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Yeah I remember to listen nonsenses lies about it.

Some people saying it takes a lot to build a interceptor and when you multiply total amount built and supposed time to build one, you get decades more than the system is in service 😂
 
Immortals said:
Argachi wouldn’t know if the security threat was still in the system. It’s basic counter espionage 101. He could have purposely been told that by higher ups so he would spread it (knowingly or unknowingly) to Iran’s enemies or to give the spy cell a false sense of security.

Either way the FM isn’t going to have the intelligence level clearance for such information without someone providing it to him. Even if Iran eliminated the threat it’s in Iran’s interest to feign ignorance in order to see how deep the infiltration goes.

Personally I think a couple of the spies actually died in the compound with Khamenai wether intentionally or not. Trump unknowingly leaked it when he said that Israel ended up killing our guys we wanted to negotiate who were also in a different area of the compound at the time of the attack.
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You talk as if Iran had any sort of real counter-intelligence in the system.

Even Amir-Hossein Sabeti later, a few days after my post, that Araghchi was giving signal to the US to continue their decapitation strikes.

Didn't you see what Shahriari said on TV about Iran's oil production? He literally exposed a top confidential document discussed at the Security Council of the Parliament about Iran's oil production during the embargo.
 
Falcon29 said:
US under Trump appears very indecisive and unsure what they want to do

Not escalating nor de-escalating

For nations in region, American logistics companies and other global logistics companies and American consumers it feels like deliberate sabatoge as US military has large capabilities that it can deploy but is choosing not to for time being
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Trump doesnt want to do it but jews have him by the balls
 
I haven't checked the news in great detail recently, but from what it seems, Iran's attacks have become more effective against the US military and Saudi Arabia is also entering the game.

China as always is betraying Iran by reducing its oil imports and arming the Arabs.
Russia is trying her best to push Iran to fight Ukraine. Not that Zelensky doesn't deserve to be punished, Ukraine is a neo-Nazi shithole, but it's interesting how suddenly Russia has become so vocal about Iran's right to self defense.

The situation for Iran doesn't seem good. Oil prices have not passed the $100 resistance line because of China's market manipulation. Iran's proxies in the region are under pressure and Iran doesn't know how to handle it at the moment because it is fighting an existential war.

Iran has few months left to make this war final before the November elections. Trump will go all in after the elections. Iran has to fight an all-out war with Trump until then and finally goes nuclear, even though the chance of the later is very slim.
 
ShapurII said:
This is what I have been saying on this forum since October 7.

October 7 was an operation against Iran planned by Ikhwan al-Muslimin to target Iran's Axis of Resistance.
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Welcome back bro, havent seen you for a while, good to see you back
 
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