Nawnaw1
Registered Member
Or Iran doesn't pay their so called Ukraine Airlines damages? How boot that?
Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds
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Nawnaw1
Registered Member
Well obviously the US will try 'supporting' shipping throught there.
But anybody with half a brain understand this is unsustainable. They gonna forver keep their navy and air force busy running around there trying to intercept some missiles/drones? Is that even affordable or sustainable?
This is the language of negotiations. Everybody knows that Iran is here to stay and the US is here to play temporarily. The Strait is owned by him who has the most power and is willing to use it. You think Oman by itself can do this in the future? Or Oman together with the UAE?
But anybody with half a brain understand this is unsustainable. They gonna forver keep their navy and air force busy running around there trying to intercept some missiles/drones? Is that even affordable or sustainable?
This is the language of negotiations. Everybody knows that Iran is here to stay and the US is here to play temporarily. The Strait is owned by him who has the most power and is willing to use it. You think Oman by itself can do this in the future? Or Oman together with the UAE?
BHAN85
Trusted Member
Iran publicly apologized for that and
The right minimal expected behavior when your state do a stupid thing.
And war, fair retaliation attack, if the aggressor refuses it, like USA and Israel arrogant psycho states refused apologize for the coward attack of minab school, with the complicit silence of their braindead peoples.
Meengla
Elite Member
Good post.
Geography has given Iran a huge advantage and the decimation of many regional American bases have made it much more difficult to wage a war on Iran. Iran's priority should be to do whatever to make the American fleet leave--and they will have to leave now or later--and then the Strait will be Iran's. It already is de facto.
Meengla
Elite Member
Trump has a huge problem.
PS. Even NY Times is calling it the Islamabad MOU.
Iran and Oman are closing in on an agreement to reopen shipping traffic in the Strait of Hormuz, according to Iranian and American officials, but if the accord goes into effect it could come at a high price — ratifying Tehran’s control over what, before the war, was an open, international waterway.
As described by officials familiar with the emerging accord, vessels heading into the Persian Gulf will transit a channel controlled by Iran, and close to its coast. Ships leaving the Gulf will travel on a channel near Oman.
Iranian officials say that while there will be no tolls charged the agreement includes a “service fee” to cover the environmental impact of the shipping, security for the cargo ships and tankers, and staffing. Revenues would be divided equally between Iran and Oman, two Iranian officials said.
But a U.S. official familiar with the negotiations said on Monday that the Iranian account was “not accurate,” and said that any “temporary” routes established through the strait would not involve approvals or permissions by Iran, and would involve no tolls.
For President Trump, the deal, if it happened, could address his most urgent political problem allowing ships to flow again. For their part, Iranian officials said the strait would remain closed, despite any agreement, until the U.S. lifts its naval blockade against Iranian ports in the Persian Gulf and both countries return to the 14-point plan laid out in the Islamabad memorandum of understanding.
PS. Even NY Times is calling it the Islamabad MOU.
Iran and Oman are closing in on an agreement to reopen shipping traffic in the Strait of Hormuz, according to Iranian and American officials, but if the accord goes into effect it could come at a high price — ratifying Tehran’s control over what, before the war, was an open, international waterway.
As described by officials familiar with the emerging accord, vessels heading into the Persian Gulf will transit a channel controlled by Iran, and close to its coast. Ships leaving the Gulf will travel on a channel near Oman.
Iranian officials say that while there will be no tolls charged the agreement includes a “service fee” to cover the environmental impact of the shipping, security for the cargo ships and tankers, and staffing. Revenues would be divided equally between Iran and Oman, two Iranian officials said.
But a U.S. official familiar with the negotiations said on Monday that the Iranian account was “not accurate,” and said that any “temporary” routes established through the strait would not involve approvals or permissions by Iran, and would involve no tolls.
For President Trump, the deal, if it happened, could address his most urgent political problem allowing ships to flow again. For their part, Iranian officials said the strait would remain closed, despite any agreement, until the U.S. lifts its naval blockade against Iranian ports in the Persian Gulf and both countries return to the 14-point plan laid out in the Islamabad memorandum of understanding.
BHAN85
Trusted Member
they haven't used a single one trident ii or minuteman, yeah, it's another thing, but it's "long range precision missile", if the headline isn't accurate in one thing, it could be in everything else.
Meengla
Elite Member
I don't know much about military hardware.
Here is the article.
The U.S. Army has used up much of its stockpile of highly accurate long-range missiles during its five-month war with Iran, according to three people familiar with the data, raising concerns about the military's readiness for future conflicts.
The missiles are principally the Army's surface-to-surface weapons, known as Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) and Precision Strike Missiles (PrSM). The U.S. has used "virtually all" of these weapons, according to two of the sources.
The degree to which the military is running out of ATACMS and Precision Strike Missiles has not been previously reported.
The long-range munitions are an important part the military's arsenal, allowing accurate strikes from a safe distance. U.S.-supplied ATACMS have played a key role in the war in Ukraine, allowing Ukrainian forces to attack targets inside Russia. The PrSM is a newer, more advanced generation that will replace the ATACMS, which have a shorter range.
Analysts say such weapons – which cost over $1 million each – would also be important in any conflict with China.
The sources declined to say how many of each munition the U.S. had left.
President Donald Trump launched the Iran war jointly with Israel in February, predicting that the conflict would last a short time.
But as the war drags on, the three people familiar with the matter expressed worry that the falling missile supplies could limit the U.S. ability to deter adversaries, including Russia and China.
A fourth person familiar with the matter said that while Central Command — which oversees U.S. forces in the Middle East — has nearly used up the land-based missiles it had before the war began, it has been able to reload from U.S. military supplies elsewhere in the world.
The sources interviewed for this story spoke on the condition of anonymity.
Asked for comment on the stockpile data, the White House issued a statement from Trump, saying the U.S. had “far more munitions than anyone in the world" and "far more than we need."
"Our defense companies are, at this moment, making more munitions than they have ever made before, in addition to expanding their plants and equipment at record levels," Trump said.
Analysts agree that certain munitions, including artillery shells and several types of missiles, are being produced at record levels but caution that supplies might far short of what is needed for a prolonged war.
Lockheed Martin, which makes the ATACMs and PrSMs, along with the anti-ballistic missile THAAD system, did not immediately respond to questions about Trump's statements or about supply levels. Raytheon, which makes Tomahawk missiles and Patriot interceptors, two important U.S. weapons, also did not immediately respond.
Ali_Baba
VIP Member
Those platforms are designed for nuclear delivery(ie with a CEP of ~100's of meters), and not high precision.
Nawnaw1
Registered Member
Minuteman and Trident are nuclear delivery missiles ONLY. So what are you saying here?
BHAN85
Trusted Member
I'm saying headline is not accurate and false in one thing, and it could be inaccurate and false in everything else.
Minuteman and Trident are "long range precision missile"
And even if article is true, I'm saying USA always got that last resort resource.
BHAN85
Trusted Member
AI Overview
Yes, the Trident II (UGM-133A / D5) is a long-range, high-precision submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM).
Headline is false in one thing, it could be false in everything else.
Ali_Baba
VIP Member
Being a nuclear missile, it won't have a CEP level precise enough to target individual targets.
""The Circular Error Probable (CEP) of the Trident II (D5) missile is estimated to be approximately 90 meters (300 feet). [1, 2]"
With this level of CEP, it really just becomes a glorified fire cracker with a conventional payload ?
BHAN85
Trusted Member
I'm refuting article headline, not your post.
The article uses the words "long range precision missile"
Does it enter minuteman and trident in that category? AI says yes.
