Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Starlord]

None of those groups are gonna be deterred from this deal. Because insurgents by nature don’t care about these toothless deals will fight till the last man.

Lots of people are asking which enemy this PACT is against, I give you a threat which is faced by every country, aka Terrorism/insurgency, and it feels like you are mad that they didn't name Iran as primary enemy of this PACT?

Also Houthi’s aren’t terrorist. Only a moron would think you could label Houthi’s (who Saudi Arabia has allied with multiple times in the past) terrorists after Saudi Arabia has committed genocide in Yemen and kept the country on an blockade just because it’s preferred puppet government is not in power in Yemen.

Houthis are Terrorists for many, so it doesn't matter what you or other nationalist Iranians call who what, One mans Terrorist is other's freedom fighter... you support Hez/Houthis which you call them freedom fighters but many in Yemen/Lebanon call them terrorists, maybe for you they are not so its subjective. No one can take a moral highground here because all of y'all have long list of fcuk up's that y'all did in the region, and yes that include Pakistan.

Saudi Arabia could easily end its conflict with Houthis by lifting the blockade and not interfering in the Yemen’s affairs. Saudi Arabia wants its cake and eat it too. Wants to interfere in countries affairs anywhere in the Middle East and Africa, then cry when Iran does the same in the region (ie Syria, Lebanon, Iraq).

I will let a Saudi or Yemeni answer that, I am not well versed on this civil war.

Arabs and Turks are acting like hypocrites. They sat and criticized Iran and said Iran is interfering in countries affairs then spent the next several years doing the same exact same thing! Turkey is in Iraq and Syria. Saudi Arabia and UAE are sowing chaos in Yemen and African continent. Fueling conflicts everywhere they go.

Like i said, no one can/will take a moral highground, you can call them hypocrits and they can call you hypocrits too, but the point is that this PACT is not against Iran, and no amount of self-victimization will change that, KSA is equipped to bomb Iran, as Iran has very limited AD left and American fighters have easy time flying over Iranian air space, Iran has mostly downed drones, and few fighter jets but given the amount of sorties they flew over Iran its negligble.

This is the main problem in Middle East today. Too much countries are trying to be a hegemony. Add in Israel and you will see why the region is headed to disaster.

Everyone wants to be the macho of the region, use the sectarianism to push proxies, KSA did that, Iran did it, while there is infighting among Muslims the other take advantage of this situation. Region is too divided, some PACTS will not bring a lasting peace, but it will be a good start towards something rather than blame games, and calling each other hypocrits.

 

[Ali_Baba]

• Pakistan is bankrupt and lives loan to loan
• Turkey’s currency is worthless like toliet paper
• Saudi Arabia’s entire income comes from a product Iran can readily destroy in the country.

You think Saudi Arabia can prop up itself and 2 other countries economically during a war? Doubtful.

Saudi’s interest is growing economically and staying away from war. It doesn’t want to be entangled in war and be destroyed like Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya.

MBS would be committing a big mistake by trying to get into a war with Iran when Israel/US with all their intel and firepower couldn’t overwhelm Iran then Turkey, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia won’t be able to either.

Not everything that happens in the region is about Iran. Iran is not the center of the universe. Countries can make alliances for their own interests and goals that have nothing to do with Iran.

 

[Desert]

• Pakistan is bankrupt and lives loan to loan
• Turkey’s currency is worthless like toliet paper
• Saudi Arabia’s entire income comes from a product Iran can readily destroy in the country.

You think Saudi Arabia can prop up itself and 2 other countries economically during a war? Doubtful.

Saudi’s interest is growing economically and staying away from war. It doesn’t want to be entangled in war and be destroyed like Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya.

MBS would be committing a big mistake by trying to get into a war with Iran when Israel/US with all their intel and firepower couldn’t overwhelm Iran then Turkey, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia won’t be able to either.

And people blame Egypt for not joining this crazy pact.
our economy can get easily destroyed by houthis drones on suez canal and other cities not to mention that israel awaits this moment.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Iraq will not be safe for saudi pipeline for obvious reason. Jordan is more suitable.

Iraq will need to build its own pipes to circumvent the Straits of Hormuz, so there is opportunity to share the costs there for both countries is my thinking. Lets see what they decide to do. I think we can all agree, that there will be change in the oil flow and different countries will make their "pitches" for the pipes to flow over their land, to get transit fee's from the oil transportation across their land.

This is the last change for Iran to extract the maximum value that the closure of the straits can offer as the value of the straits will decrease both as green energy comes on line more forcefully and alternate land routes are built where possible.

Additionally, one of the best options to Saudi to circumvent the straits is to work with Oman to allow both oil to transit their territory to a new port, for Saudi's Asian customers. That way Oman can benefit both from fees on the straits and direct transit fees from Saudi.

 

[kobra]

One of my concerns with this pact is that these countries will go to war with Iran before they go to war with Israel.

Turkey is the one of the big trade partner with israil, also supplies oil. Why would they go to war with israil? With puting forward the scope of NATO alliance, they are more like strategic partners.

As far as Pakistan is concerned, so far Israil has no direct threat from Pakistan and viseversa.

 

[Ali_Baba]

Turkey is the one of the big trade partner with israil, also supplies oil. Why would they go to war with israil? With puting forward the scope of NATO alliance, they are more like strategic partners.

As far as Pakistan is concerned, so far Israil has no direct threat from Pakistan and viseversa.

Either Israel diversifies away from those pipelines over Türkiye or they accept that Türkiye will have control over their energy flows in the event of a conflict with Israel where Türkiye will turn off those pipes.

 

[Jalz]

Turkey is the one of the big trade partner with israil, also supplies oil. Why would they go to war with israil? With puting forward the scope of NATO alliance, they are more like strategic partners.

As far as Pakistan is concerned, so far Israil has no direct threat from Pakistan and viseversa.

Israeli is imperialistic. They might end up in a war with them over syria. Israel also wanted to bomb Pakistan nuclear program with indian cooperation at some point.

 

[vizier]

One of my concerns with this pact is that these countries will go to war with Iran before they go to war with Israel.

Possibly Saudi would prefer to make other two countries join against Yemen campaign at first step.

Pakistan refused to join the Saudi led 2015 Yemen campaign and officially does not recognise Houthis as terror group. Turkiye also does not recognise Houthis as a terror group. The situation did not change much but only a fragile ceasefire that is somewhat broken now and all issues unresolved.

So it would contradict Pakistans previous refusal to join Yemen campaign in 2015. Also all of a sudden recognising houthis as terrorists etc and would again be somewhat illogical for Turkiye and Pakistan as well. So the issue is complicated for Saudi-Yemen conflict and logically the countries wont be involved in this conflict for the sake of Saudis want it or for financial benefits I think/hope

 

[Immortals]

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Where is the Iran-Oman Hormuz agreement that the MSM said was coming very soon?

 

[Immortals]

Israeli is imperialistic. They might end up in a war with them over syria. Israel also wanted to bomb Pakistan nuclear program with indian cooperation at some point.

Golan Heights had a major natural gas discovery. But Jew-lani won’t take back what is Syria’s and turn his country around.

 

[Immortals]

Either Israel diversifies away from those pipelines over Türkiye or they accept that Türkiye will have control over their energy flows in the event of a conflict with Israel where Türkiye will turn off those pipes.

There will never be such a conflict since Turkey doesn’t have the economy for such a conflict. Go look up how much gold Turkey had to sell this year to prop up its economy.

And Israel has other sources in case of emergency it can access oil and NG from (US). Turkey doesn’t have a whole lot of leverage against Israel in such circumstances. And NATO/US would not side with Turkey over Israel so Turkey would be left alone.

Is Pakistan then going to help attack Israel?
Is Saudi Arabia then going to help attack Israel? No. Support would likely be material and money.

Once Erodgan dies or is disposed (which ever comes first) it’s more likely you get a Turkish leader that is even MORE pro-west rather than someone that is anti West/Israel. In which case, it goes back to my previous point — Turkey will avoid conflict with Israel at all costs. It will have to be Israel that brings the conflict to Turkey

 

[Arash]

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Guess the rest is in good hands for some reverse engineering

 

[MS Sandhu]

Possibly Saudi would prefer to make other two countries join against Yemen campaign at first step.

Pakistan refused to join the Saudi led 2015 Yemen campaign and officially does not recognise Houthis as terror group. Turkiye also does not recognise Houthis as a terror group. The situation did not change much but only a fragile ceasefire that is somewhat broken now and all issues unresolved.

So it would contradict Pakistans previous refusal to join Yemen campaign in 2015. Also all of a sudden recognising houthis as terrorists etc and would again be somewhat illogical for Turkiye and Pakistan as well. So the issue is complicated for Saudi-Yemen conflict and logically the countries wont be involved in this conflict for the sake of Saudis want it or for financial benefits I think/hope

Houthis have so far avoided to hit Pakistan related ships and tankers going to and from Saudi Arabia.They have hit Indian related ships but not Pakistan related.
So far Pakistan has no reason to involve herself in war.
In case any strait is closed for Pakistan, Iran may be locked right in SoH because we have seen how easy it is to impose naval blockade on Iran.
SoH is a great weakness of Iran as exposed in current war against US where Iran has no room to maneuver outside this little strait.

 

[vizier]

Houthis have so far avoided to hit Pakistan related ships and tankers going to and from Saudi Arabia.They have hit Indian related ships but not Pakistan related.
So far Pakistan has no reason to involve herself in war.
In case any strait is closed for Pakistan, Iran may be locked right in SoH because we have seen how easy it is to impose naval blockade on Iran.
SoH is a great weakness of Iran as exposed in current war against US where Iran has no room to maneuver outside this little strait.

I doubt houthis will ever attack Turkish or Pakistani related ships on bab al mandab strait. If that kind of thing happens it should be investigated well that it is not a false flag to drag us into this conflict.

 

[Persian Gulf]

I doubt houthis will ever attack Turkish or Pakistani related ships on bab al mandab strait. If that kind of thing happens it should be investigated well that it is not a false flag to drag us into this conflict.

Yemen has announced a blockade on Saudi ships in response to the illegal Saudi blockade on Yemen. There is no blockade on non-Saudi ships.