Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Oldenwisdom...قول بزرگ]

The truth is that they're encircling Iran with the help of Turkey and the sooner Iran signs a deal with the US and at least covertly normalizes its relations with Israel, the better.

And you'd be playing or planning against whom?
It is exactly these kind of self motivated too clever by half that zion seeks to keep the project going by self deluded goyim.
Yes, why not indeed? Zion could have used Iran to fight against the periphery... and knocked the skeleton out to fulfill their prophecy as well.

They have got to hear you find how many more they can find...

 

[Immortals]

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@Persian Gulf
@Shags101
@ShapurII

 

[Nawnaw1]

It seems Trump is going to be Jimmy Carter’d.

It doesn’t appear Iran is going to open the SoH until post November. Iran cannot give Trump an off ramp that might allow his Party to win in November, rebuild stockpiles somewhat for round 3 in 2027 or 2028, while reducing Iran’s leverage.

There is a reason Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush W, Obama, and Biden didn’t touch Iran and it was all lessons learned from Jimmy Carter’s strategic failure.

Now Iran is going to remind the next 3 decades of future U.S. presidents why the thought of military adventure should be wiped from their conscious.

Bro, unlike Shapurll, you're actually an intelligent person, even if a doomer.

You cannot on the one side keep hammering on how leaky the SoH is, and on the other hand reasonate like this.

Of course some ships will go through the SoH. The point is, is it sustainable for the US military to keep such a huge presence just to escort 5-6 ships a day? That's ridiculous. Iran made the US play little tricks like transfering oil from big ships to little ships etc., things Iran did to avoid sanctions in the years past.

No PGCC country can do anything about this, it's well known. And the pak-turkey-saudi nonsense is just that, nonsense. Nobody is going to do anything except try to score some points, get some Saudi money. Which is good for them then.

They won't even touch the Houthis, never mind Iran.

As to your post with bases hit, it's quite clear the US can't keep a presence in Iraq and many smaller PGCC countries. It's just too vulnerable. Vulnerable doesn't mean all stationed soldiers will die in flames, it means the base has no value. No value means: aircraft can't take off there, aircraft can't be protected, there can't be training, there can't be stationing, radars blown up etc. That is the meaning of vulnerable.

 

[Jalz]

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From the WSJ. Iran should re-invent the JCPOA from first principles. Iran is capable of an operational victory over israel so a future israeli attack shouldn't affect our calculus.

 

[Watandar]

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Quite possible. I think the US establishment has realized Trump is an absolute moron and is now making a strategic retreat and hoping to use Saudi/Turkey/Pakistan the same as once upon a time it used Saddam and GCC against Iran and Kuwait. Then a later US administration will have opportunities to again penetrate the region.

Question is will the Saudi/Turk/Pakistan recognize this trap or act as stupidly as Saddam ? Let's hope for the best.

 

[Persian Gulf]

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[Immortals]

More attacks launched by Houthi’s

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[Eşbah]

Quite possible. I think the US establishment has realized Trump is an absolute moron and is now making a strategic retreat and hoping to use Saudi/Turkey/Pakistan the same as once upon a time it used Saddam and GCC against Iran and Kuwait. Then a later US administration will have opportunities to again penetrate the region.

Question is will the Saudi/Turk/Pakistan recognize this trap or act as stupidly as Saddam ? Let's hope for the best.

If what you're saying is accurate, it would certainly make Erdoğan appear quite clever, as everyone knows we wouldn't launch an attack on Iran, with whom we share one of the oldest and most stable borders in all of Eurasia, despite the significant criticism of the IRI in Turkey. In fact, it's Turkey's least problematic border, aside from the recent influx of Afghan refugees.

What does Saudi Arabia hope to gain from Turkey? Technology? They have plenty of resources to acquire it from anywhere they choose. Troops? That's Pakistan's responsibility. The only reasonable explanation is that by involving Turkey, they are enhancing their deterrence against Iran. However, the Iranians are well aware that Turkey poses no threat of attack, regardless of the circumstances.

Turkey stands to gain investments in its defense sector in exchange and aims to further contain and deter Israel. So, from an objective standpoint, Turkey has nothing to lose and a lot to gain with minimal investment.

Could it be that Saudi Arabia is just as concerned about Israel as we, the public, might not fully understand?

Or is this a strategy to pressure Pakistan into guiding Turkey and Saudi Arabia towards nuclear capabilities?

Also, bear in mind that Erdoğan's party is losing. His AKP is no longer leading in the polls:

He isn't going to be the next President of Turkey if he plays by the books. The next government will be liberal and pro-European. The Saudis might be able to convince them, though. Money is convincing by nature, as you know.

However, the opposition is to him is isolationist is nature. They are absolutely against any kind of military related action with regards to Tehran.

 

[Jalz]

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If trump continues this he will lose. Iran can handle a blockade quite well for long periods of time.

 

[Hazard]

The region needed that 7th October uprising. By region, i mean Islamic world in west Asia.

People might also forget that behind these conflicts, there is a clash of civilizations, ideologies and religious beliefs.

That's why USA is ready to completely sacrifice its national security for the sake of Israel. These retards have launched whatever they got towards Iran, forgetting that China is is getting stronger beyond their imagination.

Nothing can cause this stupidity, except an strong belief in something.

Muslims of Palestine started it, we continued and we will continue until USA says enough is enough. I quit

Actually, what Iran does, is increasing cost of holding Israel to a point that it burns USA's dirty hands forcing them to drop that Cancer.

Americans are NOT stupid. They clearly don't take Chinese threat seriously, infact countries near China with virtually no economy don't take them seriously.

China first needs to retake that tiny little island before dreaming about going head to head with America. By the time that happens (if ever), US will have long recovered from its adventures in Middle East.

For the time being status quo continues, American defense contractors have never had it so good - billions upon billions of revenue rolling in daily. Their mainland is untouched. Its the poor folks that are suffering sadly.

 

[UberShock]

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[030292]

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If trump continues this he will lose. Iran can handle a blockade quite well for long periods of time.

I think there might be some truth to trump's statement, most of the analysts have been corroborating this, trump is bidding his time to go big again.

There seems to be no middle ground ground for trump, either natanyahu gets a regime change in iran or epsteins videos get leaked.

 

[Qaraca]

“During the war, they (Azerbaijan) helped us significantly with various routes—whether for Russia’s [supplies] or their own—they accompanied and assisted us with whatever we needed.”

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[mangekyo]

Quite possible. I think the US establishment has realized Trump is an absolute moron and is now making a strategic retreat and hoping to use Saudi/Turkey/Pakistan the same as once upon a time it used Saddam and GCC against Iran and Kuwait. Then a later US administration will have opportunities to again penetrate the region.

Question is will the Saudi/Turk/Pakistan recognize this trap or act as stupidly as Saddam ? Let's hope for the best.

Why would they even think about if it’s a trap or not? And what kind of trap are we even disussing? Turks in Syria, GCC, Jordan and Egypt vs Palestine. These countries aren’t naive children. They know what they are doing, and they have been playing their part very well.