Sea Sultan Long-Range MPA | Updates & Discussion

[Salza]

Yes. The initial induction of 2 Sea Sultans that was to take place by now has been delayed. The open market aircraft purchase (each pre-owned aircraft will cost around US$20-25 million) is the responsibility of Leonardo which than hands over the platform to Paramount Group in SA for conversions. I have a feeling that the Navy is already regretting this decision due to a number of internal and external factors, but that is just me and my intuition

This will be a set back for PN since this decade was all set for modernization with induction of new typ54s, milgems, hangoor class subs. If not 10, atleast we should have 3-4 LRMPAs (Sea Sultans) before 2030.

 

[Yasser76]

All critical spares have to be cleared under an End User Certificate and clearance from Embraer Military Aircrafts section.

That was not my point, my point was there should be no actual shortages as E190 is a very popular plane

 

[Yasser76]

Incredible honestly
Your adversary has what? 12 P-8Is currently in service. The best you have right now is P-3Cs and ATR-72s. Honestly what was the logic for using Lineage E 1000 as the base for Sea Sultan. Already a very rare platform and now one has been transferred over to PAF for VVIP use. As if there aren't already enough damned VVIP aircraft. Can the programme at this point

Linage is not rare at all, it is basically an E190

 

[MirageV3ff]

This will be a set back for PN since this decade was all set for modernization with induction of new typ54s, milgems, hangoor class subs. If not 10, atleast we should have 3-4 LRMPAs (Sea Sultans) before 2030.

Yea if you do think about it
Almost every programme we've had was behind schedule. Hangor, Sea Sultan etc. I'm not sure about JCF but that will and is likely delayed too. External factors aside, it all comes down to the main thing that plagues every project in Pakistan. $$$

 

[Zephyrus]

Lineage is a modified E190 with 2x internal fuel tanks in the cargo hold, it was selected for this very reason. You had a regional liner with already certified additional fuel tanks, I don't know whose bright idea was it to go for this very platform, but it felt good on paper,
keep one tank
remove the other, strengthen the airframe to add a rotary bomb bay, (yes they wanted a rotary bomb bay, this is why they chose Lineage over G6000 based swordfish)
A maritime x band radar (Seaspray 7500e)
L3 harris MX20 EO/IR
AcoustIcs Processing System
Sonobuoy launchers
an Elint/ESM System like the one we see on the RAS72
They didn't opt for an added MAD stinger but could've gone with a distributed MAD system.
The airframe that was in PN use 91, was transferred to PAF, No 12 Sqn, J760 is the new tail no.
I don't know whether this is temporary (I hope and pray it is) (I hope this is just temporary till PAF gets another G6000 as they have to send the old one for conversion (if they do)).
2 airframes are in South Africa for conversion. (I hope it goes according to plan)

 

[Ali_Baba]

Sea Sultan induction in PN may be delayed further

Why would it be delayed? What is the cause ?

 

[Ali_Baba]

Yes. The initial induction of 2 Sea Sultans that was to take place by now has been delayed. The open market aircraft purchase (each pre-owned aircraft will cost around US$20-25 million) is the responsibility of Leonardo which than hands over the platform to Paramount Group in SA for conversions. I have a feeling that the Navy is already regretting this decision due to a number of internal and external factors, but that is just me and my intuition

So, you don't really know if it will be delayed or not, just your "intuition" ?

 

[Falcon26]

No need to make speculations without solid information. Claiming the program is delayed without evidence might trigger discussions but harms one’s credibility.

Always separate speculations from confirmation.

 

[Yasser76]

So, you don't really know if it will be delayed or not, just your "intuition" ?

Dude earlier claimed there may be spare issue on Linage as very few of them in service, Bit like saying there may be spares issue for SAAB 2000 as very few Erieyes in service

Thing is essentially a E190

 

[Par 5]

So, you don't really know if it will be delayed or not, just your "intuition" ?

I have the exact information for the induction delay but would like to reserve my comments for now based on too many prying eyes here. And as far as intuition is concerned, that has never let me down.

And handing over the first PN Lineage 1000 VVIP to the PAF for AF One transport is not a good sign as well. This aircraft was to be used as a trainer for future pilots.

 

[Par 5]

This will be a set back for PN since this decade was all set for modernization with induction of new typ54s, milgems, hangoor class subs. If not 10, atleast we should have 3-4 LRMPAs (Sea Sultans) before 2030.

As per original timeline the first Sea Sultan was to be inducted last year and the second one this year by September. And here we are still waiting for reasons already mentioned