Sea Sultan Long-Range MPA | Updates & Discussion

[kimjongun]

Money that we do not have at the moment

So where the decision makers that short sighted , when choosing an airframe for the SS??

 

[Par 5]

So where the decision makers that short sighted , when choosing an airframe for the SS??

The platform was the correct choice.

The implementation process may have had its flaws as we learn today

 

[Yasser76]

Says the guy who has no credibility on this forum and constantly eats the boot of Mods . @Par 5 is a legit guy , baat rahi "classified info" ki toh this not much classified as it has already been discussed before. Considering how much india is in bed with Embraer they probably know more then us. Stfu now

I know, I know, his uncles' best friend's servant's brother keeps him up to date with classified Pak Mil info which he posts on here.

Everyone at the same time also, by a massive coincidence, seems to have some "intuition" on how SS will progress, while amazing also having a direct line to Embraer's CEO and his thoughts on supplying Pakistan.

Next thing that will happen is an SS will get delivered as as sure as night follows day, he will be on here claiming he knew it but could not tell us beforehand.

Do you know just how stupidly childish this seems to all the adults on here?

Also, you seem to have a very personal issue with me and the mods, cope?

 

[Metal 0-1]

Nope, that is not what he orginally said, he said there was a limited number of Linage aircraft, which makes no sense when the plane is essentially an E190

Seems like we just have a bunch of wannabes pretending they have insider info and a circle jerk fan club.

If this info was genuine, then revealing it on an open forum helps Pakistan's enemies. Someone who claims they constantly have access to insider info and reveals some on here is not a real insider. That is someone desperate for kudos on the forum and likes.

Tera kaa'n chitta.

 

[Salza]

Money that we do not have at the moment

As you or someone said that apart from the first one, rest of the planes were bought from Leonardo so they help us to clinch a deal with Brazilian manufacturer? Money problem is always there whatever we want to buy but I believe we won't be needing that support that early, keeping in mind planes are relatively new and just being converted. Some sort of middle ground has to be reached.

 

[Yasser76]

Learn how to connect the dots sometimes , we know it’s difficult for u but try pls

I know right? It's like there is a secret track II thing that only you and the other teenagers on here know about. Those of use requiring sound logic and evidence need to smoke more of your shit

 

[Musings]

Guys ffs - stop the personal abuse and discuss the topic.....

 

[Aamir Hussain]

My 2C worth, acquisition of platform, reconfiguration, systems procurements and integration, fuselage modifications, testing, documentation, flight integration and testing and induction of a heavily modified platform without the OEM is a time consuming job. PN high ups might have made best case scenario guesstimates. The timelines, rightly so, have slipped and at times there is scope creep from the customer as well.

 

[Yasser76]

My 2C worth, acquisition of platform, reconfiguration, systems procurements and integration, fuselage modifications, testing, documentation, flight integration and testing and induction of a heavily modified platform without the OEM is a time consuming job. PN high ups might have made best case scenario guesstimates. The timelines, rightly so, have slipped and at times there is scope creep from the customer as well.

Yes, and one must ask could we have made heavy modifications without the help of he OEM?

 

[hasssanali8998]

Yes, and one must ask could we have made heavy modifications without the help of he OEM?

We are not doing it , paramount is

Its their specialty
And no embraer is not involved

 

[hasssanali8998]

Guys ffs - stop the personal abuse and discuss the topic.....

you guys know who always starts the personal abuse stuff , yet you do nothing about it , can’t get angry at us for replying to him in kind

 

[Musings]

you guys know who always starts the personal abuse stuff , yet you do nothing about it , can’t get angry at us for replying to him in kind

Ever considered reporting the offensive post like others instead of derailing the thread?
We arent mind readers bro

 

[Colt_Six_Nine]

yes but SS is a miltary project , first thing they ask when u try to buy parts is what is it for ,and retailers can get blacklisted for selling you parts illegally , hell even air frames can get blacklisted and then no one will sell you anything after u tell them the serials.


it works for iran because its commerical and so the regulations arent that strict . u cant compare the two situations

what i am trying to say is PN HAS to make a deal , no other way around it .

Sea Sultan is a commerical Embraer jet modified with military equipment by Leonardo etc. Any Embraer spares that go into the Sea Sultan will be commercial products.

What I keep trying to point out is that 1,700+ commercial Embraer E-Jets (Gen 1) have been made. These jets operate around the world. These jets get retired around the world. Embraer cannot blacklist everyone in the world for selling PN commerical spares off a retired E-Jet in a boneyard (or similar facility). Embraer is not the US govt. They realistically cannot control what everyone does with used aircraft and spares, just like they couldn't stop PN from purchasing PN's current Lineage 1000 airframes.

Yes, you can't compare Pakistan and Iran. Iran is a globally sanctioned country while Pakistan maintains relatively decent relationships with everyone. Please stop saying Iran's spares/jets are for commerical use. Under sanctions, Iran cannot receive spares for commercial aircraft, yet they continue to figure it out.

PN does not have to make a deal with Embraer, at least not for spares.

There's also the conversation of 3rd part manufactured spares from companies like Heico etc.

E.g. US contractor airlines operate hundreds of E-Jets. They can sell these aircrafts to whatever boneyard or parts harvesters they want upon retiring. These 3rd parties are not official Embraer customers and they do not owe Embraer anything on who they sell their parts to.

And please don't say Embraer can blacklist airlines to sell retired E-Jets to such boneyards/harvesters. It's Embraer, not Ferrari or someone, and their market power is overarching over large customers.

 

[FarhanSiddiqui]

Pakistan Navy should have selected the P-8 to replace the P-3 from the same supplier.

 

[hasssanali8998]

Any Embraer spares that go into the Sea Sultan will be commercial products

No they won’t , it’s not a commercial jet anymore , as soon as pn registered it became a military jet