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Want more sources, troll?

Fully Arabized, born on Arab soil (Tikrit),, Muslim, his dynasty embraced Arab culture and kept Arab titles, language and everything else Arab and his descendants today are Arabs.

Al-Ayoubi family - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Even his name is Arab, lol.

And no, Arabs do not need to claim him.

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Now go argue with CHATGPT and claim that they are pro-Arab as well despite mostly being run by Jews.

Ottomans were Arabs too using that logic , since they had Arab names too?

But I've not met any Arabs use Turkish names... I guess Saladin's family was the first?

I suggest you waste the time of someone else with such trolling. I literally posted 20 + sources - contemporary and non-contemporary that confirm it.

Yes, most Ottoman citizens were indeed Arab and Ottoman Turkish was more Arab than Turkish and it used the Arabic alphabet and the Ottomans copied previous Arab Caliphates (Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid, Fatimid etc.). Pretty standard knowledge.

The Ottomans were originally Turkic people who were settled by Arabs (Arabs often raided Central Asia to get slaves etc.). Hence the word (origin) of Mamluk which literally means slave.

 

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Again with this dumbass arabia with his long replies and spams.


1-about Hyksos (ruled egypt for like 100 years) and were kicked out eventually by REAL EGYPTIANS.

"The Hyksos were a highly diverse, multicultural coalition that included both Semitic and non-Semitic peoples. While their dominant core consisted of West Semitic groups like the Canaanites and Amorites, their migration also brought in prominent non-Semitic elements, specifically Hurrian and Indo-European populations from the northern Near East. They were not a single race, but rather a mixed alliance of different ethnic groups."

2- Again Salah El-Din was a MUSLIM KURD that lived in Egypt and ruled the EGYPTIAN army , he had nothing to do with Saudia or GCC or wtf you mean.

3-stop posting spam , and try to post 1 useful idea so we can all argue about it.

 

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Ottomans were Arabs too using that logic , since they had Arab names too?

But I've not met any Arabs use Turkish names... I guess Saladin's family was the first?

you 2 are hopeless case.
Arabia and Anatolia.

 

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Again with this dumbass arabia with his long replies and spams.


1-about Hyksos (ruled egypt for like 100 years) and were kicked out eventually by REAL EGYPTIANS.

"The Hyksos were a highly diverse, multicultural coalition that included both Semitic and non-Semitic peoples. While their dominant core consisted of West Semitic groups like the Canaanites and Amorites, their migration also brought in prominent non-Semitic elements, specifically Hurrian and Indo-European populations from the northern Near East. They were not a single race, but rather a mixed alliance of different ethnic groups."

2- Again Salah El-Din was a MUSLIM KURD that lived in Egypt and ruled the EGYPTIAN army , he had nothing to do with Saudia or GCC or wtf you mean.

3-stop posting spam , and try to post 1 useful idea so we can all argue about it.

You are too stupid (poor English) to understand what is being written, once again.

He did not have anything to do with Egypt. He was born on Arab soil (Iraq) and was an Arab. He came to rule Egypt and parts of KSA (Hejaz) and many other Arab regions. His descendants live mainly in KSA and Jordan and have indeed nothing to do with Egypt.

Al-Ayoubi family - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

My point was that Semitic speaking dynasties originally from Arabia/LEvant/Mesopotamia ruled Egypt almost 5000 years ago. That is a FACT whether you like it or not.

Exodus, part 1. Semites in Egypt - Vridar

When did the Exodus happen? 1 Kings 6:1And it came to pass in the four hundred and eightieth year after the children of Israel had come out of the land of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel . . . Solomon’s rule is said to have begun around 970 BCE. If we follow … Continue...

vridar.org

Same fact being that there are millions of Arabs in Egypt (most Egyptians have Arab ancestry) and that Egypt is Arabized and have been that for 1000 + years. Let alone the rest.

You must be some frustrated African Nubian or Copt or Albanian etc. troll.

Native Egyptians did not rule Egypt for 2500 + years in a row as well. Greeks, Roman, Arabs and later Mamluks ruled. Then came the Ottomans and then the Ali Pasha Albanian dynasty and then the English.

 

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Again with this dumbass arabia with his long replies and spams.


1-about Hyksos (ruled egypt for like 100 years) and were kicked out eventually by REAL EGYPTIANS.

"The Hyksos were a highly diverse, multicultural coalition that included both Semitic and non-Semitic peoples. While their dominant core consisted of West Semitic groups like the Canaanites and Amorites, their migration also brought in prominent non-Semitic elements, specifically Hurrian and Indo-European populations from the northern Near East. They were not a single race, but rather a mixed alliance of different ethnic groups."

2- Again Salah El-Din was a MUSLIM KURD that lived in Egypt and ruled the EGYPTIAN army , he had nothing to do with Saudia or GCC or wtf you mean.

3-stop posting spam , and try to post 1 useful idea so we can all argue about it.

Again with this dumbass arabia with his long replies and spams.


1-about Hyksos (ruled egypt for like 100 years) and were kicked out eventually by REAL EGYPTIANS.

"The Hyksos were a highly diverse, multicultural coalition that included both Semitic and non-Semitic peoples. While their dominant core consisted of West Semitic groups like the Canaanites and Amorites, their migration also brought in prominent non-Semitic elements, specifically Hurrian and Indo-European populations from the northern Near East. They were not a single race, but rather a mixed alliance of different ethnic groups."

2- Again Salah El-Din was a MUSLIM KURD that lived in Egypt and ruled the EGYPTIAN army , he had nothing to do with Saudia or GCC or wtf you mean.

3-stop posting spam , and try to post 1 useful idea so we can all argue about it.

Henry II, Count of Champagne

The Battle/Action: The arduous coastal march from Acre toward Jaffa, specifically managing the rear forces.

The Date: Late August 1191 AD.

The Source: Ambroise’s L'Estoire de la Guerre Sainte (The History of the Holy War).
The Action/Quote Description: Henry was tasked with protecting the foot soldiers and baggage train from the highly mobile Turkish horse archers who launched continuous "hit-and-run" assaults. Ambroise records the collective dread of these tactics:

"Count Henry kept watch on the mountain side... against the Turks who swarmed like wasps, ever ready to seize any man who stepped out of the safety of the ranks."

Look. they write about Turks... Turk history, that you people try claim as your own.

William de Ferrers, Earl of Derby

The Battle/Action: The prolonged, disease-ridden siege lines surrounding the city of Acre.

The Date: Autumn 1190 AD.

The Source: Itinerarium Peregrinorum et Gesta Regis Ricardi, Book I, Chapter 35.

The Action/Quote Description: Arriving early to hold the line before the Kings arrived, the Earl of Derby and his massive English retinue faced brutal, unceasing Turkish night raids sent by Saladin to break the Christian perimeter.

Richard de Templo writes:

"The Earl of Derby stood as a bulwark in the trenches, where day and night the Turks hurled their weapons and Greek fire into our camps, seeking to destroy our engines."

Turks mentioned. Not Kurd or Arab. how does this make you feel?

 

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You are too stupid (poor English) to understand what is being written, once again.

He did not have anything to do with Egypt. He was born on Arab soil (Iraq) and was an Arab. He came to rule Egypt and parts of KSA (Hejaz) and many other Arab regions. His descendants live mainly in KSA and Jordan and have indeed nothing to do with Egypt.

Al-Ayoubi family - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ya he has nothing to do with Egypt , he never visited Egypt , never led the Egyptian Army .. he actually led MBS army against houthis.

alright.

 

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you 2 are hopeless case.
Arabia and Anatolia.

Ibn Khallikān was born in Erbil on 22 September 1211 (11 Rabīʿ al-Thānī 608 AH). He was an Arabic biographer
that claimed descent from the Barmakids.

However, Ibn Khallikān's family has also been described to be of Kurdish origin, specifically from the Kurdish Zarzārī tribe,

as the family name ("Ibn Khallikān") originated from a village near Erbil and was formed "according to the Kurdish manner" (ʿalā ṭarīq al-nisba al-kurdiyya)

Your sources were by lying Kurds my guy. You are the hopeless one. I am going to share you 100 sources.

 

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Henry II, Count of Champagne

The Battle/Action: The arduous coastal march from Acre toward Jaffa, specifically managing the rear forces.

The Date: Late August 1191 AD.

The Source: Ambroise’s L'Estoire de la Guerre Sainte (The History of the Holy War).
The Action/Quote Description: Henry was tasked with protecting the foot soldiers and baggage train from the highly mobile Turkish horse archers who launched continuous "hit-and-run" assaults. Ambroise records the collective dread of these tactics:

"Count Henry kept watch on the mountain side... against the Turks who swarmed like wasps, ever ready to seize any man who stepped out of the safety of the ranks."

Look. they write about Turks... Turk history, that you people try claim as your own.

William de Ferrers, Earl of Derby

The Battle/Action: The prolonged, disease-ridden siege lines surrounding the city of Acre.

The Date: Autumn 1190 AD.

The Source: Itinerarium Peregrinorum et Gesta Regis Ricardi, Book I, Chapter 35.

The Action/Quote Description: Arriving early to hold the line before the Kings arrived, the Earl of Derby and his massive English retinue faced brutal, unceasing Turkish night raids sent by Saladin to break the Christian perimeter.

Richard de Templo writes:

"The Earl of Derby stood as a bulwark in the trenches, where day and night the Turks hurled their weapons and Greek fire into our camps, seeking to destroy our engines."

Turks mentioned. Not Kurd or Arab. how does this make you feel?

Again , none of the sources you mentioned say that Salah El-Din was Turk.

have a good day man , i wasted a lot of time .

we don't need to claim turkish history as ours because Egypt is a lot richer in history than turkey .. Egypt is thousands years old while turkey few hundreds years.

good day.

 

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Peter de Preaux (Peter de Pratis)

The Battle/Action: A tactical reconnaissance skirmish outside Jaffa.

The Date: September 1191 AD.

The Source: Itinerarium Peregrinorum et Gesta Regis Ricardi, Book IV, Chapter 28.

The Action/Quote Description: King Richard was nearly ambushed by a detachment of Turkish scouts while hawking. Seeing the King surrounded, Peter de Preaux deliberately drew the enemy's lances away by shouting a deceptive battle cry to save his monarch:

"Peter de Preaux shouted with a loud voice, 'I am the King! I am the King!' The Turks, hearing this, threw themselves upon him in a frenzy, allowing the real King to escape on a swift horse."

No mention of Kurds or Arabs.

 

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Again , none of the sources you mentioned say that Salah El-Din was Turk.

have a good day man , i wasted a lot of time .

we don't need to claim turkish history as ours because Egypt is a lot richer in history than turkey .. Egypt is thousands years old while turkey few hundreds years.

good day.

I just proved your sources as fake and bias. They were Kurdified Arabs or Arabized Kurds. Can you maybe share a non bias source?

 

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Ya he has nothing to do with Egypt , he never visited Egypt , never led the Egyptian Army .. he actually led MBS army against houthis.

alright.

Saladin was an Arab (born on Arab soil) - you claim he was a Kurd - and now you are claiming him as an Egyptian? How is he more Egyptian than Arab?

Did he spoke Coptic or Nubian (LOL) and worship some Pharaoh? Tell us all again which culture and civilization (Arab Muslim) that he was a part of and which he actively PROMOTED?

BTW you should be focusing more on that Arab Hejazi Fatimids who created (in large) what is today Egypt (modern-day Muslim Arab Egypt).

Fatimid Caliphate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They made your capital (Cairo) what it is today.

BTW are you a Nubian, Copt or some other minority in Egypt?

 

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Saladin was an Arab (born on Arab soil) - you claim he was a Kurd - and now you are claiming him as an Egyptian? How is he more Egyptian than Arab?

Did he spoke Coptic or Nubian (LOL) and worship some Pharaoh? Tell us all again which culture and civilization (Arab Muslim) that he was a part of and which he actively PROMOTED?

BTW you should be focusing more on that Arab Hejazi Fatimids who created (in large) what is today Egypt (modern-day Muslim Arab Egypt).

Fatimid Caliphate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They made your capital (Cairo) what it is today.

BTW are you a Nubian, Copt or some other minority in Egypt?

Its all lies by Arab Nationalists that want to have the glorious Turk history.
Saladin was a Turk. His generals were Turks, his army was Turk. he named his children after Zengid rulers. His brothers names were Turk and so on.

William de Barres

The Battle/Action: The pivotal cavalry engagement at the Battle of Arsuf.

The Date: September 7, 1191 AD.

The Source: Ambroise’s L'Estoire de la Guerre Sainte (The History of the Holy War).

The Action/Quote Description: Despite a bitter, personal rivalry with King Richard back in Europe, William de Barres executed a flawless, crushing heavy cavalry charge that shattered Saladin’s elite units. Ambroise records the admiration of the camp:

"William de Barres charged so fiercely into the dense mass of the Turks that no man could deny his valor. The King himself forgave him all past hatred upon seeing how he trampled the enemy underfoot."

 

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Its all lies by Arab Nationalists that want to have the glorious Turk history.
Saladin was a Turk. His generals were Turks, his army was Turk. he named his children after Zengid rulers. His brothers names were Turk and so on.

William de Barres

The Battle/Action: The pivotal cavalry engagement at the Battle of Arsuf.

The Date: September 7, 1191 AD.

The Source: Ambroise’s L'Estoire de la Guerre Sainte (The History of the Holy War).

The Action/Quote Description: Despite a bitter, personal rivalry with King Richard back in Europe, William de Barres executed a flawless, crushing heavy cavalry charge that shattered Saladin’s elite units. Ambroise records the admiration of the camp:

"William de Barres charged so fiercely into the dense mass of the Turks that no man could deny his valor. The King himself forgave him all past hatred upon seeing how he trampled the enemy underfoot."

More hallucinations. We do not need to nor do we claim non-Arab history.

Let me repost this obvious fact:

I am the only one in this thread that has posted extensive sources that confirm Saladin's origins. Both contemporary sources and later sources and modern sources.

You can claim him to be Turk, Martian etc. he was FULLY ARABIZED, his family proudly claimed Arab heritage, his name was Arab, most of that of his family, his modern-day descendants are today Arabs and his dynasty used Arabic as the official language, Arabic titles (Sultan), Arab architecture, Arab state institutions modeled on past Arab caliphates. There was/is literally nothing Kurdish or Turkic about him. He was born on Arab soil and died on Arab soil too. Nothing more to discuss.

 

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More hallucinations. We do not need to nor do we claim non-Arab history.

Let me repost this obvious fact:

I am the only one in this thread that has posted extensive sources that confirm Saladin's origins. Both contemporary sources and later sources and modern sources.

You can claim him to be Turk, Martian etc. he was FULLY ARABIZED, his family proudly claimed Arab heritage, his name was Arab, most of that of his family, his modern-day descendants are today Arabs and his dynasty used Arabic as the official language, Arabic titles (Sultan), Arab architecture, Arab state institutions modeled on past Arab caliphates. There was/is literally nothing Kurdish or Turkic about him. He was born on Arab soil and died on Arab soil too. Nothing more to discuss.

Al-Afdal Nur ad-Din Ali: His eldest son and successor in Damascus, named after Saladin’s original patron and the greatest Zengid ruler, Nur ad-Din Zengi.Al-Zahir

Ghiyath ad-Din Ghazi: His favorite son who ruled Aleppo, named after the prominent Zengid rulers Sayf al-Din Ghazi I and Sayf al-Din Ghazi II.

Al-Mu'izz Fath ad-Din Ishaq: Named after the classic Zengid nomenclature (the laqab "Fath ad-Din" mirroring the "ad-Din" suffixes popularized heavily under the Zengids).

Al-Zahir Mujir ad-Din Da'ud: Carrying a traditional military title format modeled after the Zengid court.

Al-Muzaffar Qutb ad-Din Musa: Named after Qutb al-Din Mawdud, the brother of Nur ad-Din and prominent Zengid ruler of Mosul.

Imad ad-Din Shahan Shah: Though he died young, he was named after the very founder of the Zengid dynasty, Imad al-Din Zengi.

Why must you claim something that's not yours? I don't get it.

 

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Saladin was an Arab (born on Arab soil) - you claim he was a Kurd - and now you are claiming him as an Egyptian? How is he more Egyptian than Arab?

Did he spoke Coptic or Nubian (LOL) and worship some Pharaoh? Tell us all again which culture and civilization (Arab Muslim) that he was a part of and which he actively PROMOTED?

BTW you should be focusing more on that Arab Hejazi Fatimids who created (in large) what is today Egypt (modern-day Muslim Arab Egypt).

Fatimid Caliphate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

They made your capital (Cairo) what it is today.

BTW are you a Nubian, Copt or some other minority in Egypt?

1- I never claimed Salah el din to be Egyptian ( I said he was MUSLIM KURD) who had nothing to do with saudia or gcc or ur gulf

2- Fatimids are non-arabs of persian -north african and probably jew roots , they had nothing to do with your arabia.
that quote from abbasid dynasty (Abbasid Manifesto)

The person arising in Egypt, Mansur, who takes the title of al-Hakim—may God decree his destruction and humiliation!—is the son of Nizar, who was the son of Ma'add, who was the son of Isma'il, who was the son of Muhammad, who was the son of 'Ubayd Allah, who arose in the West (North Africa) and called himself al-Mahdi.
All those mentioned above are impostors and liars who falsely claim descent from 'Ali ibn Abi Talib... Their lineage does not belong to the family of the Prophet.
Instead, they are descended from Daysan ibn Sa'id (or Maymun al-Qaddah), a dualist and a heretic... Their doctrine is a cover to destroy Islam, and they are enemies of the faith." [1, 2]

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3- stop claiming everything as arab , you are embarrassing yourself , you people claim everything as arab Egypt-Tunisia-Andalus-Kurds- etc , what's next ? Norway was arab?
you destroy the image of arabs here on forum.