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[_Arabia_]

1- I never claimed Salah el din to be Egyptian ( I said he was MUSLIM KURD) who had nothing to do with saudia or gcc or ur gulf

2- Fatimids are non-arabs of persian -north african and probably jew roots , they had nothing to do with your arabia.
that quote from abbasid dynasty (Abbasid Manifesto)

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3- stop claiming everything as arab , you are embarrassing yourself , you people claim everything as arab Egypt-Tunisia-Andalus-Kurds- etc , what's next ? Norway was arab?
you destroy the image of arabs here on forum.

More nonsense from the clown.

He was not a Kurd but an Arab as most contemporary sources claimed (I already posted them) and which his own family also claimed. His descendants (Al-Ayyoubi family) are also fully Arab today and mainly live in KSA and Jordan.

There was nothing Kurdish about him other than his original Arab tribe being partially Kurdified by intermarrying with Kurds (back then it meant nomads).

There was no concept of Kurds back then even. Already provided MODERN sources that claim the same.

Try again, they were an Hashemite (ALID) dynasty originally from Hejaz (KSA) and proudly claimed so as well and they pioneered Arab Muslim culture.

Fatimid Caliphate - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Britannica:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Fatimid-dynasty

Their own Ismaili organizations state the same thing.

Fatimids

www.iis.ac.uk

The Fatimid Caliphate

The Fatimid Caliphate also known as the Fatimid Empire, was a caliphate extant from the tenth to the twelfth centuries CE under the rule of the Fatimids, an Isma'ili Shi'a dynasty. The Fatimids traced their ancestry to the Islamic prophet Muhammad's daughter Fatima and her husband Ali, the first...

www.history.org.uk

Next you will claim that Rashidun, Umayyad, Abbasid and 100's of other Arab dynasties in Asia, Africa and Europe were non-Arabs and maybe even that Prophet Muhammad (saws) was not an Arab or 99% of all the Sahaba?

More hallucinations. We do not need to nor do we claim non-Arab history.

Let me repost this obvious fact:

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I am the only one in this thread that has posted extensive sources that confirm Saladin's origins. With direct writings from contemporary books. Both contemporary sources and later sources and modern sources.

You can claim him to be Kurd, Turk, Martian etc. he was FULLY ARABIZED, his family proudly claimed Arab heritage, his name was Arab, most of that of his family, his modern-day descendants are today Arabs and his dynasty used Arabic as the official language, Arabic titles (Sultan), Arab architecture, Arab state institutions modeled on past Arab caliphates. In short he promoted (proudly) ARAB MUSLIM CULTURE AND CIVILIZATION. NOTHING KURDISH (WHICH BARELY EXISTED BACK THEN AND MEANT NOMAD) OR TURKIC ABOUT HIM AND HIS DYNASTY. Moreover he was born on Arab soil and died on Arab soil too. Nothing more to discuss.

 

[Desert]

he keeps posting same AI photos , same tweets , same BS.

i'm 100% sure he has autism.

Saudia strooong , MBS strooong , make the world arab again , saudia is the cradle of all civilizations , Al-Saud are of nordic arab origin

rofl.

 

[Anatolia]

It is worth noting that Saladin’s absolute top-tier battlefield generals—the ones who commanded the left and right wings of his army at Hattin—belonged to his family or elite Turkic peers:

• Taqi al-Din Umar (His nephew, brilliant general): Turk.
• Al-Adil (His brother, core strategist): Turk.
• Muzaffar ad-Din Gökböri (Lord of Erbil, elite general): Turkic.
• Baha al-Din Qaraqush (Builder of Cairo's citadel): Turkic/Rumi.

Where are the Arab generals of Saladin?

 

[_Arabia_]

he keeps posting same AI photos , same tweets , same BS.

i'm 100% sure he has autism.

Saudia strooong , MBS strooong , make the world arab again , saudia is the cradle of all civilizations , Al-Saud are of nordic arab origin

rofl.

No, I am posting facts and purely facts. I linked to modern-day DNA tests, contemporary sources (with photos of original content of the contemporary books), later sources and modern-day sources.

You have only posted unfounded low IQ drivel and made many absurd claims.

Rest for your nonsense is just that, your own imagination.

Why are you avoiding my question? Are you a frustrated Copt, Nubian or some other minority in Egypt?

That might explain your obsession about Arabs. I think that you should DE-ARABIZE and de-Muslimize yourself and somehow remove the 50% + of Arab/Semitic/Natufian DNA that even the minorities in Egypt have on average, somehow. Actually make that number 80%.

I sense a lot of frustration. Did some Saudi Arabians and other Arabs bully you by calling you an Arabized Black African etc. and now you are angry and obsessed about 500 + million Arabs? Is that it?

@The SC two non-Arab trolls have been polluting this thread. Time to clean it up. Neither of them are interested or capable of any serious discussion and both are obsessed about Arabs. Just take a look at their posting history.

 

[Anatolia]

No, I am posting facts and purely facts. I linked to modern-day DNA tests, contemporary sources (with photos of original content of the contemporary books), later sources and modern-day sources.

You have only posted unfounded low IQ drivel and made many absurd claims.

Rest for your nonsense is just that, your own imagination.

Why are you avoiding my question? Are you a frustrated Copt, Nubian or some other minority in Egypt?

That might explain your obsession about Arabs. I think that you should DE-ARABIZE and de-Muslimize yourself and somehow remove the 50% + of Arab/Semitic/Natufian DNA that even the minorities in Egypt have on average, somehow. Actually make that number 80%.

I sense a lot of frustration. Did some Saudi Arabians and other Arabs bully you by calling you an Arabized Black African etc. and now you are angry and obsessed about 500 + million Arabs? Is that it?

@The SC two non-Arab trolls have been polluting this thread. Time to clean it up. Neither of them are interested or capable of any serious discussion and both are obsessed about Arabs. Just take a look at their posting history.

where do you get 500 million Arabs from?

Half of the Gulf is Indian or Pakistani. Unless they're Arabs too?

Modern day Egyptians share nothing with Arabs. along with the rest of North Africa.

 

[Desert]

That might explain your obsession about Arabs. I think that you should DE-ARABIZE and de-Muslimize yourself and somehow remove the 50% + of Arab/Semitic/Natufian DNA that even the minorities in Egypt have on average, somehow. Actually make that number 80%.

actually make that number 10000% , actually France is arab , actually China is saudi , actually actually actually actually.

meh ,

 

[Desert]

Modern day Egyptians share nothing with Arabs. along with the rest of North Africa.

they will call us arabs when they need us .. and they will call us ARABIZED people when they want to insult us.

 

[Anatolia]

they will call us arabs when they need us .. and they will call us ARABIZED people when they want to insult us.

Yes. I noticed this too. But I know by meeting a lot of Egyptians most reject any Arab claims. Moroccans, Algerians and Tunisian the same.

But I am interested in what @Arabia has to say about this. a real debate no troll.

 

[_Arabia_]

where do you get 500 million Arabs from?

Half of the Gulf is Indian or Pakistani. Unless they're Arabs too?

Modern day Egyptians share nothing with Arabs. along with the rest of North Africa.

You are a Anatolian claiming Turkic (Central Asia) heritage and you are now blabbering about the Arab world and its genetics that you have no clue about?

Moroccan Berbers have 100 times more in common with Arabs from Arabia genetically, linguistically (Afro-Asiatic), culture wise, appearance wise, history wise that an Anatolian (a mixture of Semitic peoples - Assyrians, Arabs, Hitties, Armenians, Greeks, Caucasians, - nowadays millions of Arab, Balkan, Circassian refugees) have with Mongoloid looking Central Asian Turks.

Yet that does not prevent most Turks from claiming peoples from modern-day Central Asia 1000's of km away.

I think that there are more genuine Turks in KSA (Uzbeks, Uyghurs and other Turkic peoples who have been settling in Hejaz for 1400 + years) than many areas of Turkiye.

Also what exactly was Turkic about Saladin? Does it sound like a Turkic name to you? Did he promote some Turkic Pagan religion? Was his dynasty name Turkic? Did it promote Turkic and Turkic civilization and culture? Did he and his family claim Turkic ancestry?



As for Pakistanis and Indians in KSA and Arabia - they are not citizens outside of the small minority of pilgrims (Hajj and Umrah) and due to economic refugees (mostly Baloch and Sindhis) who stayed and later became citizens or before that mixed but now long ago considered as locals and fully Arabized (if their ancestors arrived 1000 + years ago for instance).

Same Pakistan (IVC) that ancient civilizations in Arabia (Sumer, Dilmun, Magan, Gerrha etc.) had the closest trade ties with 5000 + years ago.

Dilmun - Alchetron, The Free Social Encyclopedia

Dilmun, or Telmun, was an ancient Semiticspeaking country mentioned throughout the history of Mesopotamia from the 3rd millennium BC onwards. It is regarded as one of the oldest civilizations in the Middle East. Based on textual evidence, it is located in the Persian Gulf on a trade route between M

alchetron.com

Expedition Magazine | The Indus Civilization and Dilmun, the Sumerian Paradise Land

<p>One of the most significant and impressive archaeological achievements of the twentieth century centers around the discovery of the ancient […]</p>

www.penn.museum

Also GEOGRAPHIC proximity.

they will call us arabs when they need us .. and they will call us ARABIZED people when they want to insult us.

No, we consider an Arab (regardless from where) to be an Arab. The Arabs of North Africa (majority of people) are Arabs and consider themselves Arabs as well. There are many types of Arabs even within each Arab country.

Anyway, why do you refuse to talk about your origin? I won't judge, Nubians and Copts (in particular) are closely related peoples to Arabs linguistically, genetically, geographically etc. One of the wives of Prophet Muhammad (saws) was a Coptic woman.

they will call us arabs when they need us .. and they will call us ARABIZED people when they want to insult us.

We never needed any other Arabs. For what? You have needed us and our money and ressources. Same case to this day. Many of you badmouth us while speaking our language, worshipping a religion from our lands, worshipping peoples from our lands etc.

When you speak with non-Arabs you proudly claim Arab heritage as well.

That is a strange paradox.

We don't have anything against fellow Arabs, fellow Semitic peoples or other Afro-Asiatic speaking peoples that we share almost everything in common with whether DNA, culture, appearance and much else.

KSA is one of the most diverse Arab countries (and Muslim) out there. There is far less racism than many other Arab countries. Pakistani users here have many times confirmed their interactions with Arabs not from the GCC and how much more racist they are against them.

 

[Desert]

Anyway, why do you refuse to talk about your origin? I won't judge, Nubians and Copts (in particular) are closely related peoples to Arabs linguistically, genetically, geographically etc. One of the wives of Prophet Muhammad (saws) was a Coptic woman.

I don't have a problem with Arabs , I love all people whether arabs or persians or turks or pakistanis or chinese etc as long as we share same faith and same purpose , i like all other humans too who carry no hate ( such as spainards who stand with the palestinian cause).

Hating is wrong and i'm not on the thread to to attack this or that , i just don't like lies based on nationalism , it's wrong.

and my origin is for myself , i'm a muslim and that's good for me.

you need to stop posting false info , it's not bad to be proud of your origin just don't publish fake info.

 

[Anatolia]

You are a Anatolian claiming Turkic (Central Asia) heritage and you are now blabbering about the Arab world and its genetics that you have no clue about?

Moroccan Berbers have 100 times more in common with Arabs from Arabia genetically, linguistically (Afro-Asiatic), culture wise, appearance wise, history wise that an Anatolian (a mixture of Semitic peoples - Assyrians, Arabs, Hitties, Armenians, Greeks, Caucasians, - nowadays millions of Arab, Balkan, Circassian refugees) have with Mongoloid looking Central Asian Turks.

Yet that does not prevent most Turks from claiming peoples from modern-day Central Asia 1000's of km away.

I think that there are more genuine Turks in KSA (Uzbeks, Uyghurs and other Turkic peoples who have been settling in Hejaz for 1400 + years) than many areas of Turkiye.

Also what exactly was Turkic about Saladin? Does it sound like a Turkic name to you? Did he promote some Turkic Pagan religion? Was his dynasty name Turkic? Did it promote Turkic and Turkic civilization and culture? Did he and his family claim Turkic ancestry?



As for Pakistanis and Indians in KSA and Arabia - they are not citizens outside of the small minority of pilgrims (Hajj and Umrah) and due to economic refugees (mostly Baloch and Sindhis) who stayed and later became citizens or before that mixed but now long ago considered as locals and fully Arabized (if their ancestors arrived 1000 + years ago for instance).

Same Pakistan (IVC) that ancient civilizations in Arabia (Sumer, Dilmun, Magan, Gerrha etc.) had the closest trade ties with 5000 + years ago.

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Dilmun - Alchetron, The Free Social Encyclopedia

Dilmun, or Telmun, was an ancient Semiticspeaking country mentioned throughout the history of Mesopotamia from the 3rd millennium BC onwards. It is regarded as one of the oldest civilizations in the Middle East. Based on textual evidence, it is located in the Persian Gulf on a trade route between M

alchetron.com

Expedition Magazine | The Indus Civilization and Dilmun, the Sumerian Paradise Land

<p>One of the most significant and impressive archaeological achievements of the twentieth century centers around the discovery of the ancient […]</p>

www.penn.museum

Also GEOGRAPHIC proximity.


No, we consider an Arab (regardless from where) to be an Arab. The Arabs of North Africa (majority of people) are Arabs and consider themselves Arabs as well. There are many types of Arabs even within each Arab country.

Anyway, why do you refuse to talk about your origin? I won't judge, Nubians and Copts (in particular) are closely related peoples to Arabs linguistically, genetically, geographically etc. One of the wives of Prophet Muhammad (saws) was a Coptic woman.


We never needed any other Arabs. For what? You have needed us and our money and ressources. Same case to this day. Many of you badmouth us while speaking our language, worshipping a religion from our lands, worshipping peoples from our lands etc.

When you speak with non-Arabs you proudly claim Arab heritage as well.

That is a strange paradox.

We don't have anything against fellow Arabs, fellow Semitic peoples or other Afro-Asiatic speaking peoples that we share almost everything in common with whether DNA, culture, appearance and much else.

KSA is one of the most diverse Arab countries (and Muslim) out there. There is far less racism than many other Arab countries. Pakistani users here have many times confirmed their interactions with Arabs not from the GCC and how much more racist they are against them.

I am asking you where are these 500 million Arabs you love to keep bringing up my guy. No one cares about your civilization. lol

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

From what we have learned from our history course.

After the death of Genghis Khan, the Mongol Empire basically became divided as all children of Genghis Khan were fighting for the throne of the Great Khan.

They basically stopped marching toward the west in both Europe and Middle East.

And they also tried with a smaller group of 10K men to march toward Egypt, then got defeated in the buffer zone of Levant.

 

[Desert]

Many of you badmouth us while speaking our language, worshipping a religion from our lands, worshipping peoples from our lands etc.

OH wow , so Islam is arab religion now?
WOW lol.

so we call christianity is palestinian and judaism Egyptian (since moses was here in Egypt) ? LOL

you're 100% with autism , no , 1000%.

 

[Anatolia]

From what we have learned from our history course.

After the death of Genghis Khan, the Mongol Empire basically became divided as all children of Genghis Khan were fighting for the throne of the Great Khan.

They basically stopped marching toward the west in both Europe and Middle East.

And they basically tried with a smaller group of 10K men to march toward Egypt, then got defeated in the buffer zone of Levant.

Turks defeated all Mongols.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Turks defeated all Mongols.

Because the Turks understood their tactics right?