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[Foinikas]

If anything,if we go back and see this historically,based on plain historical facts,the PAF has far more experience and is more battle-hardened than the TuAF. We're talking 1947(?),1965,1971,1999 and 2025. The TuAF mostly has experience of bombing enemies with no Air Force(Cypriot NG,Kurdish insurgents,various armed groups in Syria and Iraq)and a few scattered interceptions here and there throughout the years (HAF,SyAF,IraqiAF).

I mean,overall the PAF has substantially better and more consistent experience and history in actual wars. Conventional wars.

 

[hodor]

If anything,if we go back and see this historically,based on plain historical facts,the PAF has far more experience and is more battle-hardened than the TuAF. We're talking 1947(?),1965,1971,1999 and 2025. The TuAF mostly has experience of bombing enemies with no Air Force(Cypriot NG,Kurdish insurgents,various armed groups in Syria and Iraq)and a few scattered interceptions here and there throughout the years (HAF,SyAF,IraqiAF).

I mean,overall the PAF has substantially better and more consistent experience and history in actual wars. Conventional wars.

I never would have thought I’d agree with you

 

[Anatolia]

If anything,if we go back and see this historically,based on plain historical facts,the PAF has far more experience and is more battle-hardened than the TuAF. We're talking 1947(?),1965,1971,1999 and 2025. The TuAF mostly has experience of bombing enemies with no Air Force(Cypriot NG,Kurdish insurgents,various armed groups in Syria and Iraq)and a few scattered interceptions here and there throughout the years (HAF,SyAF,IraqiAF).

I mean,overall the PAF has substantially better and more consistent experience and history in actual wars. Conventional wars.

PAF vs TuAF today isn’t decided by who did loops over Kashmir in 1965 — it’s decided by who’s running AESA radars, who’s integrating AI targeting, who’s got network‑centric warfare, and who’s not flying museum pieces.

History is cool, but 1947 battle experience is about as relevant to 2026 air combat as knowing how to ride a horse is to driving a Tesla.

Get real for ffs.

 

[hodor]

PAF vs TuAF today isn’t decided by who did loops over Kashmir in 1965 — it’s decided by who’s running AESA radars, who’s integrating AI targeting, who’s got network‑centric warfare, and who’s not flying museum pieces.

Pakistan’s ahead again—how many of our planes have AESA radars? Zero

 

[Anatolia]

Pakistan’s ahead again—how many of our planes have AESA radars? Zero

It’s really not meaningful to compare air force capability in 2026 using battles from 1947, 1965, or 1971. Those wars were fought in a completely different technological era

 

[hodor]

It’s really not meaningful to compare air force capability in 2026 using battles from 1947, 1965, or 1971. Those wars were fought in a completely different technological era

You can't say that history isn't important. It's important to preserve traditions passed down from generation to generation and to establish a school of thought in pilot training.

 

[Foinikas]

PAF vs TuAF today isn’t decided by who did loops over Kashmir in 1965 — it’s decided by who’s running AESA radars, who’s integrating AI targeting, who’s got network‑centric warfare, and who’s not flying museum pieces.

History is cool, but 1947 battle experience is about as relevant to 2026 air combat as knowing how to ride a horse is to driving a Tesla.

Get real for ffs.

No,I don't disagree about that. My point is,history creates a culture. And often this culture persists and creates new generations of men and women that are eager and able to continue the traditions of the past. It creates schools of thought,but it's also evident that some countries have great traditions when it comes to certain aspects. For example Arabs were losing by Israelis in the air for entire decades. Pakistanis using the same Soviet-made arab aircraft managed to get Israeli fighters down. Soviets or North Koreans flying North Vietnamese fighters would manage to shoot down American aircraft in dogfights.

Pakistan accumulated experience during big aerial battles in 1965,1971 and 1999. They had losses,but they had massive victories too. This tradition continued. Take another example,Jews were using Mystere and Ouragan at first,then moved to Mirage III and V,
then F-16,F-15. All the while,their Arab adversaries like Egypt and Syria,would upgrade their fleets with the latest(or at least some of the best)Soviet fighters. And kept losing.

What I mean is,they didn't suck with older aircraft(in my examples both Paks and Israelis)and became aces when they all got new technology. They kept this tradition and culture of excellence.

Yes.we're in 2026. Battles are often won by technology. If that's the case though,why can't Indians have big success in combat? Why do they crash everything? Or why does an American manage to evade Iraqi missiles with maneuvers and not countermeasures alone? Why are Turks doing irresponsible stunts trying to outclass Greek fighters and end up having close calls or even crashes? Why do Gulf Air Forces have the best equipment,yet won't dare to go toe-to-toe with Iran?

It's about skill,culture and a tradition that persists.

 

[KAL-EL]

Who has a better Air Force? Are Greek and Turkish Air Forces relatively even?

 

[Master Chief]

Who has a better Air Force? Are Greek and Turkish Air Forces relatively even?

 

[KAL-EL]

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I was generally wanting to know and not trying to start any rivalries here. Probably shouldn't have, but it's out there in the ether now

 

[Aryan_B]

I think history and culture of a battle group matters. See in Pakistan children look up at PAF because of sucess and the very best kids compete to go into PAF wheras in India their air force is shit they get regularly kicked their planes are called flying coffins and the clever kids give the Indian air force a wide berth so......

 

[Master Chief]

I was generally wanting to know and not trying to start any rivalries here. Probably shouldn't have, but it's out there in the ether now

Your question is a good one. Ignore my idle facetiousness.

 

[Foinikas]

Who has a better Air Force? Are Greek and Turkish Air Forces relatively even?

*Morgan Freeman voice*

And thus began the Third Inter-Forum War

 

[KAL-EL]

*Morgan Freeman voice*

And thus began the Third Inter-Forum War

Sorry my friend. Definitely not intended. A genuine question, that was all. No more, no less.

 

[Foinikas]

I think history and culture of a battle group matters. See in Pakistan children look up at PAF because of sucess and the very best kids compete to go into PAF wheras in India their air force is shit they get regularly kicked their planes are called flying coffins and the clever kids give the Indian air force a wide berth so......

I wonder,is that why the Indians often make so many Top Gun clone movies that portray the IAF as super cool? Is it an effort to boost their image and attract more candidates, apart from feeding the Indian people more nationalist propaganda?