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[Foinikas]

Just "maybe", and I mean, "maybe" that will be enough cause for Türkiye to cut off the oil pipeline that serves oil to Israel from Azerbaijan ????? "Maybe" - but the pull of money might still be too strong for Türkiye to do that though ...

But they are helping their "brother"

 

[Ali_Baba]

Best way to defeat israel is to defeat aipac first and target american traitors who spoon feed israel everything. Once israel is separated from a special relationship with america then they are open for target practice.

The Genocide of Gaza has changed the dial in the USA in relation to the USA but it will take a decade for that to fully mature from now.

 

[Ali_Baba]

But they are helping their "brother"

There are lots of buyers for their oil.

 

[Foinikas]

Ok lets see them actually bomb Turkish troops or Turkey. They won't do shit. Turkey is not Iran or Hezbollah. And they have proven they cannot handle Iran.

Then why didn't Turkey do something to impose themselves in Syria? When Jolani took power,Erdogan said a few times that Turkey must guarantee Syria's integrity. Israel then went inside Northern Syria and captured more land. Turkey did nothing. Ok,let's say it's far to the south,let's say it was just about the Druze.

Then Israelis started bombing bases that were rumored to welcome Turkish forces in Syria. What did Turkey do? Nothing.

Israel flies and bombs Idlib,right next to Turkey,the THK is again absent. Not even flying anything to pretend an interception.

The government excuse is "we're not going to play Netanyahu's game".

Some questions though:

1.Iranian missiles fly over Turkish soil,Turkey incapable or unwilling to shoot them down,
they end up being shot down by Americans.
2.Israel dictates what Turkey can or can't do in Syria,flies next to you,again Turkey's reply is absent.
3.Erdogan declares support,love and protection for Palestinian brothers,but since late 2023 has done nothing practical to save them from the Zionist onslaught in Gaza.

Now,one can only wonder: Is all this Turkish military might good enough to bully countries and militaries like Greece,Cyprus,Armenia and Kurdish militias?

I think Turkey is actually afraid of a confrontation with Israel. Because Israelis,unlike Greeks and unlike Europeans and unlike Arabs in the area,take action. If they see a pair of Turkish F-16s and tell them "leave or be shot down",they know they'll be shot down. And that would be a blow to Erdogan's prestige. At a time when the THK is already weakened by purges and sanctions.

 

[KingQamaR]

It will be Interesting? Will Nato invoke article 5 if Israel attacks a Nato member Turkey?

 

[Ali_Baba]

It will be Interesting? Will Nato invoke article 5 if Israel attacks a Nato member Turkey?

It will be the death of NATO, if Israel directly attacks Türkiye territory and Article 5 is not invoked. NATO is more important to the members of NATO, than Israel - even now.

 

[Foinikas]

It will be Interesting? Will Nato invoke article 5 if Israel attacks a Nato member Turkey?

I think it's highly unlikely. If you think about how Freemasonry/Zionists rule behind most governments in the West,they will more likely protect Israel against a Turkish threat if it comes down to that. Or just covertly help Israel and do nothing about Turkey.

Another problem is that Turkey has been stepping on two boats. The last 10 years they have been frequently "backstabbing" NATO and the West for Russia and vice versa. They still maintain relations and cooperate with Putin,while refusing to impose sanctions on Russia. NATO warhawks don't like that.

If anything,they might think a good wake up call from Israel might help Turks kick Erdogan. A regime change might serve the West and NATO better than a guy who puts EU and US leaders in a tough political place,when he constantly bashes Jews,supports Hamas,imprisons the opposition,tramples freedom of press and whatever Western value they accuse Putin of trampling and justify the war in Ukraine for.

 

[KingQamaR]

It will be the death of NATO, if Israel directly attacks Türkiye territory and Article 5 is not invoked. NATO is more important to the members of NATO, than Israel - even now.

Maybe! NATO does not need to invoke Article 5. But there has to be consequence to Zios random belligerence. NATO should send a strong signal by making it's bases in the region available to Turkey should Turkey decides to deliver a response zios won't forget

 

[Ali_Baba]

Maybe! NATO does not need to invoke Article 5. But there has to be consequence to Zios random belligerence. NATO should send a strong signal by making it's bases in the region available to Turkey should Turkey decides to deliver a response zios won't forget

Honestly I think (imho) - if they don't invoke Article 5, then what is to stop Russia taking a nibble of NATO territory of the former soviet republics if it sees that Article 5 is not invoked? NATO is on its death bed right now with Trumps actions, and NATO will need to show more "overt" actions to illustrate how it can remain relevant in its core and only mission, or it will most certainly be taken off life support and die.

 

[Eşbah]

It will be Interesting? Will Nato invoke article 5 if Israel attacks a Nato member Turkey?

It's not 'Israel' per se that wants a conflict with Turkey as much as I dislike the regime.

War against Turkey is viewed as a geopolitical gamble that no one is eager to undertake, not even within the Israeli right. Netanyahu appears to be attempting to secure his position in the upcoming election by inciting tensions with Turkey. Currently, many members of the Turkish government are not even in Ankara due to the holiday season. They haven't been summoned back to the capital either because they

a. understand that Netanyahu lacks the will and the support of the Israeli security establishment to initiate a hot conflict with Turkey.

b. recognize that Europe has never been as reliant on Turkey as it is now, not even during the peak of the Cold War.

c. are aware that the American public would vehemently oppose any politician advocating for this war if not outright murder them.


Turkey is not 'doing nothing' but rather letting Satanyahoo drive into a wall.

 

[KingQamaR]

Can we all say that these are probing attacks by ZIOs? . But as is good tactical sense. To check Nato and Turkey reactions to them ?

 

[KingQamaR]

I think it's highly unlikely. If you think about how Freemasonry/Zionists rule behind most governments in the West,they will more likely protect Israel against a Turkish threat if it comes down to that. Or just covertly help Israel and do nothing about Turkey.

Another problem is that Turkey has been stepping on two boats. The last 10 years they have been frequently "backstabbing" NATO and the West for Russia and vice versa. They still maintain relations and cooperate with Putin,while refusing to impose sanctions on Russia. NATO warhawks don't like that.

If anything,they might think a good wake up call from Israel might help Turks kick Erdogan. A regime change might serve the West and NATO better than a guy who puts EU and US leaders in a tough political place,when he constantly bashes Jews,supports Hamas,imprisons the opposition,tramples freedom of press and whatever Western value they accuse Putin of trampling and justify the war in Ukraine for.

One of the European leaders literally said they wouldn't activate Article 5 if Israel attacked Turkiye and the rest are just dodging the question. Honestly, even if Israel isn't in NATO, NATO and the US are basically synonymous with Israel at this point. None of these leaders are actually free to make their own decisions. If anything happens, Europe and the US will just play neutral in public while keeping the weapon supply going behind the scenes. Sounds crazy . If Israel attacks Turkey US and NATO do nothing and side with Isreal. Ankara should seize US Nato Nukes on their territory!

 

[KingQamaR]

Honestly I think (imho) - if they don't invoke Article 5, then what is to stop Russia taking a nibble of NATO territory of the former soviet republics if it sees that Article 5 is not invoked? NATO is on its death bed right now with Trumps actions, and NATO will need to show more "overt" actions to illustrate how it can remain relevant in its core and only mission, or it will most certainly be taken off life support and die.

God forbid war breaks out between Turkey and Israel, and if/ when the NATO member countries do not provide sufficient aid to Turkey, don't expect Turkey to lift a finger to stop Russian ships seeking to pass through the Dardanelles Strait and Bosphorus Straits. Or future Russian aggression


Russia will be the winner

 

[Foinikas]

One of the European leaders literally said they wouldn't activate Article 5 if Israel attacked Turkiye and the rest are just dodging the question. Honestly, even if Israel isn't in NATO, NATO and the US are basically synonymous with Israel at this point. None of these leaders are actually free to make their own decisions. If anything happens, Europe and the US will just play neutral in public while keeping the weapon supply going behind the scenes. Sounds crazy . If Israel attacks Turkey US and NATO do nothing and side with Isreal. Ankara should seize US Nato Nukes on their territory!

I'd say they are basically ruled by the same elite that wants to ensure the survival of Israel.

As for the nukes,they can't seize them. That would immediately label them as a "rogue" nation and force all the others to gang up on Turkey and strike with whatever they have. Or simply the Israelis would see it as an immediate and absolute threat to their existence and launch nuclear strikes.

But...even if Turks seized the US nukes,wouldn't they need certain codes and other components to be able to use them?

 

[KingQamaR]

I'd say they are basically ruled by the same elite that wants to ensure the survival of Israel.

As for the nukes,they can't seize them. That would immediately label them as "rogue" nation and would force all the others to gang up on Turkey and strike with whatever they have. Or simply they Israelis would see it as an immediate and absolute threat to their existence and launch nuclear strikes.

But...even if Turks seized the US nukes,wouldn't they need certain codes and other compoments to be able to use them?

Similar situation to Ukrainians they had to give back Russian nukes in the 80s, They had no codes to them you are right.

The only action Ankara would do is the bare minimum.

If Israel attacks Turkey, and if NATO does not provide sufficient assistance to Turkey, will I expect Turkey will then formally exit NATO?

Would Greece or Cyprus help Israel I believe you have a kind of pact! I apologise if I’m wrong about this.