Bangladesh Keen To Join Saudi-Pak-Turkey Defence Alliance, Says PM's Top Aide

[r3alist]

sir i dnt get it the idea about nato's small countries. i think nato's small countries are the first line of defence for european power. and they are on the same side on the map. Pakistan turkiye ksa with iran and other small countries can provide support and act as supply line through Iran and KSa thirouh water. In this scenario how Bangladesh will act. i dnt have anything against Bangladesh i just want to understand it

Ok I see your point, however just because there is no geographic symmetry does not mean lack of strategic benefits


You are imagining a type of interoperability and logistics Which is years away, you take the world as you find it.

These are the bottom lines

Motherland and fatherland are the main targets, you can't protect against fatherland if motherland is able to support it.


Bangladesh with Chinese and Pakistani presence changes a great deal for India, that's a benefit itself, it has a significant strategic and psychological dividend

Finally, turkey china and Pakistan ultimately see the benefit, that's the ultimate bottom line

 

[retaxis]

Turkey being a member of Nato, makes its ability to participate in Mecca defence pact all the more dubious.

You can not be a member of two competing defense pacts and then hold members of your first defense pact hostage to wars of allies, of your new defense pact.

Btw Nato Article 5 comes into effect when a member nation is attacked.

If Turkey send its armed forces fight to against India, to fight along with Pakistan, then it is Turkey which is attacking India and no Nato member will intervene.

So your saying that India will beat Pakistan + Turkey + Saudi so bad that Pakistan will be forced to use nuclear weapons against India which forces India to nuke those 3 countries?

You think you will beat those 3 countries military to the extent they use nukes? man you must be delusional no offence

 

[Jaeger]

So your saying that India will beat Pakistan + Turkey + Saudi so bad that Pakistan will be forced to use nuclear weapons against India which forces India to nuke those 3 countries?

You think you will beat those 3 countries military to the extent they use nukes? man you must be delusional no offence

No, I am saying this defense pact is a charade.

They will be no Turks and there will be no Saudis in Pakistan's fight againt India. They might provide weapons or money, but that will be the extent of it.

 

[Ali_Baba]

They have man power, for me being a military basket case is not the reason. The three original members need to turn this pact into something meaningful with concrete action on the ground otherwise we turn into another talking shop OIC.

The pact does not need more man power, It has enough of that already, it needs hard military capability now and collaborative technology development for the future. Bangladesh brings neither to the table. It is now, and will be for decades to come, a military basket case.

As of now, the Bangladeshi air force operates 8 x Mig29's( which all measure of news reports, are virtually non operational due to servicing issues of the engines ) and 34 x F7BG's which by all measure can just about fire spit balls at other jets... Lets not even look at their "navy", or what passes for the "army)...

Let's agree to disagree on this - and you can see for your self how this "potential" Bangladesh "evolves militarily - if ever!" ..

 

[mythbuster]

You would be foolish to belive that Pakistan would or could deploy nuclear weapons against Israel.

Since its inception Pakistan has gone out of its way to assure the world, they are not a direct threat to Israel and they have only one enemy in world and that is India.

That is why they have been allowed to develop/ keep their nukes.

If there is even a hint of Pakistan being a nuclear threat to Israel. Pakistan nukes would be taken out.

And if Pakistan could have provided nuclear umbrella to any one against Israel, they would already done it for Palestinians.

If Israel can go for Sampson option so can Pakistan you dumbfuk... India specific nuclear program was during the infancy of our nuclear program.... it's a different playing field now... what can the west can possibly do against Pakistan ? Launch an all-out nuclear attack against Pakistan ? Yes , they can do that however they can't protect India and Israel from complete annihilation and nuclear winter....why are you even allowed to post nonsense.

 

[maxpane]

Ok I see your point, however just because there is no geographic symmetry does not mean lack of strategic benefits


You are imagining a type of interoperability and logistics Which is years away, you take the world as you find it.

These are the bottom lines

Motherland and fatherland are the main targets, you can't protect against fatherland if motherland is able to support it.


Bangladesh with Chinese and Pakistani presence changes a great deal for India, that's a benefit itself, it has a significant strategic and psychological dividend

Finally, turkey china and Pakistan ultimately see the benefit, that's the ultimate bottom line

sir in war how to provide logistic support thats the only point my mind is not comprehending.we lost 1971 because of logistic problem . same is the case now. in war like situation how to send aoldiers and weapons if there is no land corridor no air corridor .

 

[mythbuster]

No, I am saying this defense pact is a charade.

They will be no Turks and there will be no Saudis in Pakistan's fight againt India. They might provide weapons or money, but that will be the extent of it.

We don't need Saudi Arabia or Turkey to do the doggy with you.

 

[Jaeger]

If Israel can go for Sampson option so can Pakistan you dumbfuk... India specific nuclear program was during the infancy of our nuclear program.... it's a different playing field now... what can the west can possibly do against Pakistan ? Launch an all-out nuclear attack against Pakistan ? Yes , they can do that however they can't protect India and Israel from complete annihilation and nuclear winter....why are you even allowed to post nonsense.

So why don't you?

Why don't you defend poor Palestinians against the "Israeli genocide".. why just Turkey?

What is so special about Turkey, afterall, they have enjoyed very friendly relations with Israel for decades, and unlike Pakistan recognize Israel as a legitimate nation.

Clearly you shed a lot of tears for Palestinians, real or not.

Why are you not nuking Israel right this second?

If Pakistan ever had any intention of fighting against Israel, they would have already.

 

[Jaeger]

We don't need Saudi Arabia or Turkey to do the doggy with you.

Then that begs the question, why are you in this defense pact at all?

If not to fleece money from the Saudis?

 

[Ali_Baba]

Sir, if they join I suppose procurement is obviously china, no?

And if they join consider the psychological and strategic angst for you know who

Consider the opportunity for more pressure and presence for pa

NATO has plenty of small members, they bring their location as value, Pakistan will have to take some responsibility for up skilling, like they are in Somalia.

Let's also not be dismissive perpetually of bd though I respect you may have your considered view

I have been following Bangladeshi Military for basically 30 years now.

They were a basket case then, and are still the same basket case now, nothing much has changed with them and I don't think Pakistan should waste their valuable time time them at all(not for me to decide of course!).

There are bigger, and more important fish to fry. Helping rebuild Syria is of far more actual strategic importance to Pakistan materially, let that be the focus if people are looking for a "development" project to invest their time in.

 

[mythbuster]

So why don't you?

Why don't you defend poor Palestinians against the "Israeli genocide".. why just Turkey?

What is so special about Turkey, afterall, they have enjoyed very friendly relations with Israel for decades, and unlike Pakistan recognize Israel as a legitimate nation.

Clearly you shed a lot of tears for Palestinians, real or not.

Why are you not nuking Israel right this second?

If Pakistan ever had any intention of fighting against Israel, they would have already

When it comes to using nukes we will use it for Kashmiris before using it for Palestinians..... giving nuclear umbrella to Saudi Arabia and Turkey is a deterrence not an aggression....get lost man , I don't have patience for morons like you.

 

[Master Chief]

sir i dnt get it the idea about nato's small countries. i think nato's small countries are the first line of defence for european power. and they are on the same side on the map. Pakistan turkiye ksa with iran and other small countries can provide support and act as supply line through Iran and KSa thirouh water. In this scenario how Bangladesh will act. i dnt have anything against Bangladesh i just want to understand it

Ask yourself a simple question.

If there is no significant strategic risk to our mutual enemies from Bangladesh being (theoretically) in this pact, then why are Indian guests losing their shtt on this thread over the mere suggestion?

 

[Jaeger]

When it comes to using nukes we will use it for Kashmiris before using it for Palestinians..... giving nuclear umbrella to Saudi Arabia and Turkey is a deterrence not an aggression....get lost man , I don't have patience for morons like you.

If you do want me to reply and show logical fallacies in your argument, then don't quote in the first place.

It's quite idiotic of you to first quote me and then not expect a retort.

 

[maxpane]

Ask yourself a simple question.

If there is no significant strategic risk to our mutual enemies from Bangladesh being (theoretically) in this pact, then why are Indian guests losing their shtt on this thread over the mere suggestion?

its simple 3 front war scenario. 1971 war and achievement becomes irrelevent

 

[mythbuster]

If you do want me to reply and show logical fallacies in your argument, then don't quote in the first place.

It's quite idiotic of you to first quote me and then not expect a retort.

I was expecting some intelligent retort ...my bad .