Who Created Harappan / Indus Valley Civilisation? | How Did It End? | Samvaad With Devdutt Pattanaik

[peagle]

The poor fellow you are conversing with is desperately confused! Credit to you for trying to enlighten him but they are long gone.

Neo sahib is good huh, me like this one lol

 

[Master Chief]

Neo sahib is good huh, me like this one lol

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[Vikramaditya1]

The reasoning was that the Indo Aryan people of Gandhara had abandoned the rituals.

Congratulations, you figured out who Aryans were. The only point in your argument worth pointing out.

 

[Neojinnah]

Pakistani's best attempt at being Aryan is , "oo paijaan we eat Beeph

I think you jumped into this convo all excited not realizing I was not making this point at all. Please read before engaging. My point is simple - the vast majority of Hindus lack Aryan DNA. They are natives who copypasted the culture over centuries of coercion and subjugation, and now think they can use the dehumanizing language, xenophobia, and bigotry of the originals.

they don't know that Indus and Harappan scripts are not deciphered yet.

And if they were deciphered, it would change nothing. We know which language family Sanskrit came from. We know of the similarities between the original Vedic pantheon and other IE gods. There's no disputing the origins of Sanatan anymore.

My name is based on RigVedic Arya God, whats the name of members here ?

So if Ramesh Chamar whose lineage was outcasted and considered slave for 1000+ years by the originals adopts Rig Vedic Aryans as his abu and shamelessly wields their names like some trophy, he becomes Aryan. Is that what you're saying?

Dasyu which you so freely use as derogatory term for Ganges people has in reality no connection to east,

Dasyu evolved and by the time classical Hinduism had crystallized in the Gangetic plains, it was connected with those outside the traditional Hindu fold. Considering that there are millions upon millions of Hindus today who descend from those originally outside the Hindu fold, it definitely does apply to them.

In addition to dasyu, the term dasa eventually came to mean slave/servant and was applied to lowborn Hindus who were destined for a life of manual labour serving UCs.

Both these terms are applicable to modern day Hindus because, like I said, the modern day Hindu coalition is comprised of a hodge podge of different nations and groups, many of whom are essentially sanskritized convert lowborns, tribals, foreigners, etc who were formally assimilated and allowed entry into caste Hindu society very late - some as late as the 20th and 21st century.

You deleted the rest of your post so I cant comment on the rest but I assume its as ridiculous as your last few assertions

 

[Neojinnah]

Congratulations, you figured out who Aryans were. The only point in your argument worth pointing out.

If you agree with my definition, then you're implicitly conceding on my point that many Hindus today who are not Indo-Aryans and copypasted the culture and adopted Aryans as abu to join the fold.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

If you agree with my definition, then you're implicitly conceding on my point that many Hindus today who are not Indo-Aryans and copypasted the culture and adopted Aryans as abu to join the fold.

Hindus don't lose their shit about DNA or steppe or whatever. They know who they are based on their gothra. Those who lost that lineage and culture are termed mlechcha by the Aryans themselves. They made it very clear who are Aryans and who is a mlechcha. It's not that hard.

 

[Neojinnah]

Hindus don't lose their shit about DNA or steppe or whatever. They know who they are based on their gothra. Those who lost that lineage and culture are termed mlechcha by the Aryans themselves. They made it very clear who are Aryans and who is a mlechcha. It's not that hard.

They don't care about DNA but are obsessed with lineage
They don't care about steppe but somehow high caste corresponds with steppe ancestry while low caste corresponds with native convert ancestry

 

[Master Chief]

Hindus don't lose their shit about DNA or steppe or whatever. They know who they are based on their gothra. Those who lost that lineage and culture are termed mlechcha by the Aryans themselves. They made it very clear who are Aryans and who is a mlechcha. It's not that hard.

Got it...it's all about the "feels" bro. No problem. Whatever you choose to subjectively identify as is AOK

By the way, I'm curious to learn. How does one lose one's lineage??

Did I lose my genetic ancestry because my forefathers chose a particular imported religious doctrine over the alternative imported religious doctrine that your forefathers chose?

 

[Neojinnah]

Got it...it's all about the "feels" bro. No problem. Whatever you choose to subjectively identify as is AOK

By the way, I'm curious to learn. How does one lose one's lineage??

Did I lose my genetic ancestry because my forefathers chose a particular imported religious doctrine over the alternative imported religious doctrine that your forefathers chose?

According to Sanatanis, you are untouchable, subject to some of the most cruel apartheid laws in Hindu scripture, once you stop practicing their religion. It's literally a totalitarian racial cult with nothing but contempt for the natives of South Asia and the diverse traditions and faiths they follow. I have no clue where they got the idea they were the tolerant ones.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

They don't care about DNA but are obsessed with lineage
They don't care about steppe but somehow high caste corresponds with steppe ancestry while low caste corresponds with native convert ancestry

Rors have the highest steppe related ancestry in the entire subcontinent, jats coming close second, none of them are upper caste they are backward castes. What's the next blunder you gonna say, let's hear it.

 

[Vikramaditya1]

By the way, I'm curious to learn. How does one lose one's lineage??

Did I lose my genetic ancestry because my forefathers chose a particular imported religious doctrine over the alternative imported religious doctrine that your forefathers chose?

Not really, there are many ways, say feeding on your own cattle which could invite death penalty in some cases, by breeding with your own gotra (relatives). Say you marry someone from same gotra, which is extremely troubling and as per scriptures a child born out of it becomes what's known as chandala, an untouchable. You must divorce your wife and take penance for it then you're safe but your offspring suffers.

Those rules are not strictly followed but people still do not marry into same gotra of your parents still look at horoscopes. That besides this culture was native anyway what you mean imported. There are only a few imported cultures here the rest are indigenous.

 

[Master Chief]

Not really, there are many ways, say feeding on your own cattle which could invite death penalty in some cases, by breeding with your own gotra (relatives). Say you marry someone from same gotra, which is extremely troubling and as per scriptures a child born out of it becomes what's known as chandala, an untouchable. You must divorce your wife and take penance for it then you're safe but your offspring suffers.

Those rules are not strictly followed but people still do not marry into same gotra of your parents still look at horoscopes. That besides this culture was native anyway what you mean imported. There are only a few imported cultures here the rest are indigenous.

Did I lose some key part of my imported genetic ancestry though? Can you illustrate how Pakistani muslims have "lost" (let's say, as per your inference, through these cultural peculiarities leading to some streak of artifical selection) specifically that imported part which Indian (northern) hindus have "retained" in terms of genetics?

By the way, R1a lineage, a major haplogroup in this part of the world, is paternally derived, not maternally. It is even MORE frequent in upper castes e.g. brahmins. I'm sure you know where this haplogroup came from in geographic terms.

Beef eating and abstinence from caste philosophy is a "native" culture? So why do the laws in several states of the Secular Republic militate against this practice?

 

[Master Chief]

Rors have the highest steppe related ancestry in the entire subcontinent, jats coming close second, none of them are upper caste they are backward castes. What's the next blunder you gonna say, let's hear it.

Genetic Evidence on the Origins of Indian Caste Populations - PMC

The origins and affinities of the ∼1 billion people living on the subcontinent of India have long been contested. This is owing, in part, to the many different waves of immigrants that have influenced the genetic structure of India. In the most ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Table 5:



These are autosomal genetic distances to standard continental DNA indices for different caste groups in Bharat. This table would imply that upper castes are closer, genetically, to a European derived genome than lower castes are. Lower castes are closer to an Asian derived genome than higher castes are. Lower castes are more "native" to Asia.