Iran - Israel/US War: Israel-US declare war on Iran, Iran responds

[Immortals]

Not sure how much time it will take this historic oil deal to materialize and this oil afloat worlds market... SOH will be irrelevant for US in future, Iran is running out of time..

Venezuela’s oil is a heavy sludge that is costly to extract and refine than other grades of oil. The U.S. is one of the few countries that have set up refineries for that particular grade.

Anyway it will take years if not decades to get major expansion of Venezuela’s oil fields. It’s not as easy as sticking a straw into the ground and sucking it up.

He’s just desperately trying to make it seem like he has prices coming down in food, energy, and cost of living before the mid terms.

 

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[Immortals]

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Shouldn’t be hard to manufacture new mines anyway

It actually is difficult for iran likely to acquire next gen naval mines and acoustic mines, not sure they build anything that isn’t decades old in design. Sure building crude or floating devices is possible, the issue is U.S. is using underwater drones and maybe even Navy Seals to disable these if they drift into Oman waters.

Just shocked in 45 years Iran didn’t think of a better way to mine the SoH than using speedboats. Should have developed mass deployment mechanisms as well as underwater drones torpedos. Iran had shown of cases of underwater maneuverable torpedos. But so far it continues to rely on drones and cruise missiles.

 

[Watandar]

Not sure how much time it will take this historic oil deal to materialize and this oil afloat worlds market... SOH will be irrelevant for US in future, Iran is running out of time..

It will take 5 to 10 years minimum to get more oil out of Venezuela and the opposition is merely waiting Trump out. This makes no tangible difference to anything in the short term.

 

[Shags101]

It will take 5 to 10 years minimum to get more oil out of Venezuela and the opposition is merely waiting Trump out. This makes no tangible difference to anything in the short term.

Wow optimistic if you think five years before anyone is even brave enough to invest because I’m assuming the oil companies which have done many shady things in the past and probably still to some degree are worrying what Trump will try to take from this from the back end and if we elect an actual moral government in the future might start looking in those dealings

 

[PK781]

It actually is difficult for iran likely to acquire next gen naval mines and acoustic mines, not sure they build anything that isn’t decades old in design. Sure building crude or floating devices is possible, the issue is U.S. is using underwater drones and maybe even Navy Seals to disable these if they drift into Oman waters.

Just shocked in 45 years Iran didn’t think of a better way to mine the SoH than using speedboats. Should have developed mass deployment mechanisms as well as underwater drones torpedos. Iran had shown of cases of underwater maneuverable torpedos. But so far it continues to rely on drones and cruise missiles.

Not easy when the entire west was pressurizing and arm-twisting every country/manufacturer to NOT sell anything to Iran......and back then there wasn't much options anyways.

American navy can only stay in the oceans for so long before their sailors onboard the ships will revolt and refuse to comply with orders en masse. With the gulfie bases not safe to dock at for the americans, it is a big risk for them with iranian long-range missiles......so Iran can wait them out and just pressurize (if done properly the long game). The americans are under tremendous debt now and their economy is in the shitter, hence u have Trumpy lashing out at every country, even at Canada.

 

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[ShapurII]

If you choose not to engage in the fight, your only option is to be patient and wait for Trump to leave office, hoping for a Democratic President who will restore an agreement or sign a deal. What else can you do if you refuse to fight?

What is hard to face is the fact that Iran had the means to end this war on her terms but refused to do so.

You know, my father is an elderly, rural, Anatolian Sunni man who is unwilling to recognize Shia as Muslims, yet he holds a different view about Iranians as a nation and society. Despite his religious beliefs, he has never doubted Iran's nationhood or its rich historical traditions and centuries of statehood. The Arabs he was familiar with seemed new to this game and very weak minded, but he regarded the Iranians as equals to the Turks without a doubt.

Sometimes, when I share the current situation with him by simply summarizing a few pages from this thread, he outright accuses me of lying. lol. In his worldview, he struggles to understand how Iranians could repeatedly make such strategic errors that have led to the present circumstances.

He's conservative and traditional but explained a few days ago that Imams shouldn't lead a country. This is equal to the renaissance era in Europe. lol

The whole situation is genuinely concerning, and I wonder how you guys can sleep at night. The situation is stressful.

And there's no assurance that Turkey or any other nation wouldn't find itself in a similar predicament as Iran in 15 years ir so. Just two or three significant geopolitical blunders can jeopardize a nation's future.

Trust me, Turkey will not find itself in a similar situation because Turkey does not prioritize ideology over its national interests.

Even Erdogan who is considered "a radical Muslim" by the standards of Turkish politics after Ataturk still understands how to back down when he crosses a line.

The Ayatollahs of Iran crossed every red line by the West for 47 years while building no deterrence to guarantee our safety, thinking that humiliating the West publicly and calling for the destruction of Israel repeatedly while refusing to threaten them militarily would be tolerated. I doubt any nation would be idiotic enough to pursue what the Iranian regime has done in the last 3 decades.

 

[ShapurII]

There are pressures building in the U.S. as well. They are spending a lot of money just to maintain 50% pre war oil flows. Inflation remains a problem and they are about to increase interest rates again, which trump hates. Bond yields are in the zone where they intervene, again. SPR is in 40+ year lows.

I am sure Iran is finding creative ways to evade the blockade to some extent (land routes, oil mixing, back door deals).

It doesn’t seem like it would be too hard for Iran to materially decrease oil flows by simply attacking more ships and actually sinking them. It’s not hard to fire more than 1-2 missiles and drones per 2 days. It is baffling that Iran is not doing this.

I don't know. I don't think gas prices are high enough to convince the Americans of being vocal against the war.

Inflation is not a problem in the United States. I wouldn't call 4% a problem. Just today, the center of statistics in Iran said Iran's annual inflation has surpassed 120%. And that's the official number. The real number in cities like Tehran is definitely well above 150%-180%. Per their reports, cooking oil alone has increased by 340% in one year. Eggs by 290%, even non-Iranian rice has increased by 200%, while average Iranians can no longer afford Persian rice. Pistachios, a product Iran is famous for, is no longer affordable for Iranians. And at the same time with such an insane inflation, salaries increased only by 50% last year and the war has caused millions of people to get unemployed.

Millions of Iranians that are not homeowners (60% of people in Tehran are not homeowners, for example) and they can hardly afford both housing and food as rent has increased astronomically in recent years and there's no rent control in Iran. Where do you think this will lead to? It's just 2+2 = 4. It isn't only the lower-income families that are under pressure, the middle class is under pressure too and the US is increasing the pressure while Pezeshkian is extremely incompetent and nobody is willing to stop him.

Why would Americans care about the war with Iran? OK, they're paying like $50 more monthly, but that's nothing for a country where the median household income is $80K per year. How many soldiers have they lost? 20? OK. Let's say 50. Why would they care about that? It's not like they know anybody who has died because of the war personally.

You have to understand that nobody in the US cares about the war with Iran because the impacts of war on the Americans have been absolutely minimal. The US economy seems unaffected by the war and increasing the interest rate by 0.5% is not going to change much because productivity in the US has increased by the rise of AI and a large labor market.

You know who should increase interest rate but it doesn't? Iran. I said it here years ago that if we don't increase the interest rate, our currency will collapse in the near future. In less than 2 years, we have lost close to %76 of our currency's value. This situation will lead to the same fate as Venezuela and Syria eventually.

 

[ShapurII]

128%, not 89%.

مرکز آمار: تورم نقطه به نقطه خوراکی‌ها در مردادماه به ۱۲۸ درصد رسید / قیمت روغن نباتی نسبت به سال پیش ۳۸۳ درصد گران‌تر شد / در مقایسه با سال پیش، قیمت تخم مرغ ۲۹۴ درصد، مرغ ۱۷۷ درصد و گوشت قرمز ۱۴۸ درصد بیشتر شد

بر اساس این گزارش، تورم دخانیات و خوراکی‌ها و آشامیدنی‌ها همچنان در صدر جدول قرار دارد. در مرداد ماه خوراکی‌ها و آشامیدنی‌ها تورم ۱۲۷.۵درصدی ثبت کردند.

www.entekhab.ir

 

[Lulldapull]

If you choose not to engage in the fight, your only option is to be patient and wait for Trump to leave office, hoping for a Democratic President who will restore an agreement or sign a deal. What else can you do if you refuse to fight?

What is hard to face is the fact that Iran had the means to end this war on her terms but refused to do so.

You know, my father is an elderly, rural, Anatolian Sunni man who is unwilling to recognize Shia as Muslims, yet he holds a different view about Iranians as a nation and society. Despite his religious beliefs, he has never doubted Iran's nationhood or its rich historical traditions and centuries of statehood. The Arabs he was familiar with seemed new to this game and very weak minded, but he regarded the Iranians as equals to the Turks without a doubt.

Sometimes, when I share the current situation with him by simply summarizing a few pages from this thread, he outright accuses me of lying. lol. In his worldview, he struggles to understand how Iranians could repeatedly make such strategic errors that have led to the present circumstances.

He's conservative and traditional but explained a few days ago that Imams shouldn't lead a country. This is equal to the renaissance era in Europe. lol

The whole situation is genuinely concerning, and I wonder how you guys can sleep at night. The situation is stressful.

And there's no assurance that Turkey or any other nation wouldn't find itself in a similar predicament as Iran in 15 years ir so. Just two or three significant geopolitical blunders can jeopardize a nation's future.

What's left there to fight over now?

Trump-ulla is 'phuss'......just like Israel who can't even get up let alone fight?

Its so over man......

 

[Lulldapull]

Sneaky dredging? Like the IRGC didn't notice?

 

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Breaking... Trump has solved The strait of Hormuz crisis

 

[Immortals]

Sneaky dredging? Like the IRGC didn't notice?

You realize there are mountain ranges on the other side as well blocking their view? And Iranian long range drones are likely not able to do proper surveillance since they lack an anti-jammable satellite communications link. Look at Ukraine with Starlink how it is able to get live drone feeds deep into Russia. Iran doesn’t have that capability. People assume China gave Iran that capability and it’s wrong.

And what’s your point? They noticed? That’s even worse, means they got no guts to attack the dredging ships. I didn’t say the news was true, some are already disputing it.



Either way Looks like Israel killed off some of the aggressive IRGC commanders earlier on

 

[BHAN85]

Sanctions will be a blessing, if this become more than words:

Key to solving economic issues lies in domestic production, phasing out dollar: Leader

Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Mojataba Khamenei hailed the administration of President Masoud Pezeshkian for handling the people’s needs amid the US-Israeli aggression and blockade, urging increased domestic production and eliminating the US dollar from transactions.

www.presstv.co.uk